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		<title>By: LisaM</title>
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		<dc:creator>LisaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 06:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish this episode had been exclusively about Sylar and Peter. And not just because I love the characters, and the dynamic that has been there with them for a long time. It would have been given more time to show what we can only imagine, as far as what Sylar experienced in the 3 years before Peter's arrival, and the 2 year period after he showed up. What happened that made Peter want to go crazy, and how did Sylar prevent that from happening? 

As unbelievable as some may feel about this episode, I could see it, but only with some filler. In real life, who could forgive the killer of a loved one? 

No mention of Knepper's exquisite moment when he sees Claire crying after seeing the truth about her father. As she tells him she now knows Noah is a bad guy, that he, Samuel, was right, Knepper smiles and we see a man who believes he has convinced this girl to turn against her own dad. Until she says "you're my hero" in such a way that denotes sarcasm. Kudos to both Knepper and Hayden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish this episode had been exclusively about Sylar and Peter. And not just because I love the characters, and the dynamic that has been there with them for a long time. It would have been given more time to show what we can only imagine, as far as what Sylar experienced in the 3 years before Peter&#8217;s arrival, and the 2 year period after he showed up. What happened that made Peter want to go crazy, and how did Sylar prevent that from happening? </p>
<p>As unbelievable as some may feel about this episode, I could see it, but only with some filler. In real life, who could forgive the killer of a loved one? </p>
<p>No mention of Knepper&#8217;s exquisite moment when he sees Claire crying after seeing the truth about her father. As she tells him she now knows Noah is a bad guy, that he, Samuel, was right, Knepper smiles and we see a man who believes he has convinced this girl to turn against her own dad. Until she says &#8220;you&#8217;re my hero&#8221; in such a way that denotes sarcasm. Kudos to both Knepper and Hayden.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arkush. Is. The. Man. The Sylar-Dreamworld-Hell stuff was amazingly cool. I have to agree with Nathan: it was the shouting and punching. I hope Sylar's redemption is legit, because for once it was believable. Him and Peter are going to be the best superteam ever... and maybe save Noah and Claire from the Underground Trailer of Doom? Or maybe that'll be Hiro... that would be good too.
Great review, Otto! (as always^^) This was so much a 5 out of 5! I hope the show keeps up this amazingness for the finale!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arkush. Is. The. Man. The Sylar-Dreamworld-Hell stuff was amazingly cool. I have to agree with Nathan: it was the shouting and punching. I hope Sylar&#8217;s redemption is legit, because for once it was believable. Him and Peter are going to be the best superteam ever&#8230; and maybe save Noah and Claire from the Underground Trailer of Doom? Or maybe that&#8217;ll be Hiro&#8230; that would be good too.<br />
Great review, Otto! (as always^^) This was so much a 5 out of 5! I hope the show keeps up this amazingness for the finale!</p>
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		<title>By: Pas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're raising an interesting point about Sylar, and this is exactly why I find this change beleivable. All of Sylar's motives, from wanting to be the most special, wanting to be accepted, and now for repenting himself always were selfish. He doesn't strike me as looking for redemption, but more looking for what redemption will bring him which would be again acceptance, not ending alone, etc. which will lead him to be a hero by accident (if you get what I mean). A bit the opposite of Hiro, who wants to be a hero but ultimately looks like a dumbass :).

Wether we get another season or not, I hope they're not gonna end the season by a "no one saw THAT coming"/shock just for the hell of it. I've always thought that a show that neaded to kill a character (or anything else shocking, it's just an example) just for the shock value were in bad shape, and as much as it's bashed, I don't think Heroes is - quality wise - bad, at all. I hope the finale will be a continuation (and a term) of the season. That way, at least we will be able to say that - aside some things that happened during S3 (rolleyes) - the show stayed true to itself over the years.
And unless something cataclismic happens, I'm pretty  sure I'll be hopeing for more tuesday :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re raising an interesting point about Sylar, and this is exactly why I find this change beleivable. All of Sylar&#8217;s motives, from wanting to be the most special, wanting to be accepted, and now for repenting himself always were selfish. He doesn&#8217;t strike me as looking for redemption, but more looking for what redemption will bring him which would be again acceptance, not ending alone, etc. which will lead him to be a hero by accident (if you get what I mean). A bit the opposite of Hiro, who wants to be a hero but ultimately looks like a dumbass :).</p>
<p>Wether we get another season or not, I hope they&#8217;re not gonna end the season by a &#8220;no one saw THAT coming&#8221;/shock just for the hell of it. I&#8217;ve always thought that a show that neaded to kill a character (or anything else shocking, it&#8217;s just an example) just for the shock value were in bad shape, and as much as it&#8217;s bashed, I don&#8217;t think Heroes is - quality wise - bad, at all. I hope the finale will be a continuation (and a term) of the season. That way, at least we will be able to say that - aside some things that happened during S3 (rolleyes) - the show stayed true to itself over the years.<br />
And unless something cataclismic happens, I&#8217;m pretty  sure I&#8217;ll be hopeing for more tuesday :).</p>
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		<title>By: Otto</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2010/02/04/418-the-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-15981</link>
		<dc:creator>Otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Renaldsrap&lt;/strong&gt;,

&lt;em&gt;"I’m just saying that hopes for a 5th season are going to be very slim if they don’t do something to make those disenfranchised tv critics take notice."&lt;/em&gt;

See, I know exactly what you mean when you say this because a finale, when it's done right, can serve as a creative springboard for the following season and leave us clamoring for the next episode. I personally felt that 3.13 was the best example of this: it hinted at what was coming and gave us a tantalizing idea of where the story was going, but at the same time it was shocking enough that it left us wondering what we'd just seen.

But when it comes to making critics take notice, I worry that it's exactly this knee-jerk response that hurt the show in the past. I mean, killing Nathan in 3.25 was probably the result of someone in the writers' room saying, "Eh, no one will see it coming -- it'll make people sit up and TAKE NOTICE!" That kind of stunt can backfire, and in that instance it &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt;, which sucks because in the end the Sylathan storyline turned out better than anyone expected.

I think having a shocking development just for the sake of being shocking can lead to the kind of reaction that 3.25 suffered from: a situation where, even after we'd gotten past the outrage, the general "WTF?!" was hanging in the air all summer, and it was a negative "WTF?!" when it should have been a &lt;em&gt;whoa-can't-wait-to-see-where-THAT-goes!&lt;/em&gt; "WTF?!"

Here's hoping TPTBs strike that balance with this finale. The way it's been played up as a "simple but momentous" game-changer, I think there's reason to be upbeat.

&lt;strong&gt;Myrystyr&lt;/strong&gt;, GREAT point about the 3.13 voice-over. It wouldn't have occurred to me if you hadn't brought it up, but I agree that it's very relevant to the storyline now.

Here's a part of the voice-over that seems to tie into the current story: V.O.-Sylar says, "In each of us is the capacity to decide what drives our actions." If the aim really is to depict Sylar as repentant, I'll be curious to see if the show explores what his motivation is; whether it's really just a case of Sylar wanting to look like a hero and to assuage his guilt, or whether it's a case of him believing that the people who need him are worth saving and that there are principles worth fighting for. In other words, I wonder whether Sylar's motives will be portrayed as selfish or altruistic. I'm thinking that at this point they're very much selfish: "&lt;em&gt;I've&lt;/em&gt; changed," "&lt;em&gt;I've&lt;/em&gt; repented," "&lt;em&gt;I'm&lt;/em&gt; a hero," etc. But perhaps the plan for Volume Six is to explore how that changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Renaldsrap</strong>,</p>
<p><em>&#8220;I’m just saying that hopes for a 5th season are going to be very slim if they don’t do something to make those disenfranchised tv critics take notice.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>See, I know exactly what you mean when you say this because a finale, when it&#8217;s done right, can serve as a creative springboard for the following season and leave us clamoring for the next episode. I personally felt that 3.13 was the best example of this: it hinted at what was coming and gave us a tantalizing idea of where the story was going, but at the same time it was shocking enough that it left us wondering what we&#8217;d just seen.</p>
<p>But when it comes to making critics take notice, I worry that it&#8217;s exactly this knee-jerk response that hurt the show in the past. I mean, killing Nathan in 3.25 was probably the result of someone in the writers&#8217; room saying, &#8220;Eh, no one will see it coming &#8212; it&#8217;ll make people sit up and TAKE NOTICE!&#8221; That kind of stunt can backfire, and in that instance it <em>did</em>, which sucks because in the end the Sylathan storyline turned out better than anyone expected.</p>
<p>I think having a shocking development just for the sake of being shocking can lead to the kind of reaction that 3.25 suffered from: a situation where, even after we&#8217;d gotten past the outrage, the general &#8220;WTF?!&#8221; was hanging in the air all summer, and it was a negative &#8220;WTF?!&#8221; when it should have been a <em>whoa-can&#8217;t-wait-to-see-where-THAT-goes!</em> &#8220;WTF?!&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping TPTBs strike that balance with this finale. The way it&#8217;s been played up as a &#8220;simple but momentous&#8221; game-changer, I think there&#8217;s reason to be upbeat.</p>
<p><strong>Myrystyr</strong>, GREAT point about the 3.13 voice-over. It wouldn&#8217;t have occurred to me if you hadn&#8217;t brought it up, but I agree that it&#8217;s very relevant to the storyline now.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a part of the voice-over that seems to tie into the current story: V.O.-Sylar says, &#8220;In each of us is the capacity to decide what drives our actions.&#8221; If the aim really is to depict Sylar as repentant, I&#8217;ll be curious to see if the show explores what his motivation is; whether it&#8217;s really just a case of Sylar wanting to look like a hero and to assuage his guilt, or whether it&#8217;s a case of him believing that the people who need him are worth saving and that there are principles worth fighting for. In other words, I wonder whether Sylar&#8217;s motives will be portrayed as selfish or altruistic. I&#8217;m thinking that at this point they&#8217;re very much selfish: &#8220;<em>I&#8217;ve</em> changed,&#8221; &#8220;<em>I&#8217;ve</em> repented,&#8221; &#8220;<em>I&#8217;m</em> a hero,&#8221; etc. But perhaps the plan for Volume Six is to explore how that changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Otto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan,

&lt;em&gt;"In her initial appearance at the Carnival, when she was taking care of Samuel’s shoulder, she seemed to be seeing him differently…"&lt;/em&gt;

OK, valid point. I wonder if that earns the editor a Dumb As Award before Emma, though. Samuel says to Claire, "Maybe [HRG] didn't pull the trigger &lt;strong&gt;last night&lt;/strong&gt;..." -- meaning, presumably, that it's still the same day as the one when Emma joined the carnival. I'm still inclined to defend Emma for wanting to believe that she's found a place where she can make use of her medical expertise and feel like she's part of a community, but if it &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; less than a day since she was disturbed by Samuel's raving, I agree that giving him the benefit of the doubt is jarring.

With Emma's decision to join the carnival, I'm thinking it's two things: firstly the rejection letter from the medical school, because Emma probably started to wonder if she'd be working in the filing room for the rest of her life; secondly Peter, because although she probably felt she &lt;em&gt;had&lt;/em&gt; to kick him out of her apartment, it must have been upsetting for her. Based on the first scene we saw her in 4.03 -- the organized apartment, the cat, the regimented routine -- I think the implication is that Emma led a very solitary life. And based on that, having to tell her one friend to get out of her apartment and saying "goodbye" to him the way she did, it must have made her want to get as far away from her life as she could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan,</p>
<p><em>&#8220;In her initial appearance at the Carnival, when she was taking care of Samuel’s shoulder, she seemed to be seeing him differently…&#8221;</em></p>
<p>OK, valid point. I wonder if that earns the editor a Dumb As Award before Emma, though. Samuel says to Claire, &#8220;Maybe [HRG] didn&#8217;t pull the trigger <strong>last night</strong>&#8230;&#8221; &#8212; meaning, presumably, that it&#8217;s still the same day as the one when Emma joined the carnival. I&#8217;m still inclined to defend Emma for wanting to believe that she&#8217;s found a place where she can make use of her medical expertise and feel like she&#8217;s part of a community, but if it <em>is</em> less than a day since she was disturbed by Samuel&#8217;s raving, I agree that giving him the benefit of the doubt is jarring.</p>
<p>With Emma&#8217;s decision to join the carnival, I&#8217;m thinking it&#8217;s two things: firstly the rejection letter from the medical school, because Emma probably started to wonder if she&#8217;d be working in the filing room for the rest of her life; secondly Peter, because although she probably felt she <em>had</em> to kick him out of her apartment, it must have been upsetting for her. Based on the first scene we saw her in 4.03 &#8212; the organized apartment, the cat, the regimented routine &#8212; I think the implication is that Emma led a very solitary life. And based on that, having to tell her one friend to get out of her apartment and saying &#8220;goodbye&#8221; to him the way she did, it must have made her want to get as far away from her life as she could.</p>
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		<title>By: Myrystyr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myrystyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few thoughts:

Compare/contrast Sylar's voice-over to episode 3.13 with this episode's redemption. As I recall, ZQ was directed to deliver the lines as if from a distance, having gained perspective...

Charlie can be rescued by Ando super-charging Edgar (again, see 3.13), bringing her to Hiro's bedside.

If we don't get a new season but Heroes does continue in some other format, such as a comic book, I won't be following it.  Why?  Because I want to watch a television series about "ordinary people who discover they have extraordinary abilities" - when it first screens, and then again in a video marathon when my father comes round for dinner.

Also, if we do get a fifth season, I am considering not following the online graphic novels anymore.  Why?  Again, because I want to watch a television series - and don't get to see additional content, like webisodes, unless/until they are on the DVDs. So I hope all the story that we need to follow the story actually gets put in the televised episodes.

Thanks again for your reviews, and may we see many more of them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few thoughts:</p>
<p>Compare/contrast Sylar&#8217;s voice-over to episode 3.13 with this episode&#8217;s redemption. As I recall, ZQ was directed to deliver the lines as if from a distance, having gained perspective&#8230;</p>
<p>Charlie can be rescued by Ando super-charging Edgar (again, see 3.13), bringing her to Hiro&#8217;s bedside.</p>
<p>If we don&#8217;t get a new season but Heroes does continue in some other format, such as a comic book, I won&#8217;t be following it.  Why?  Because I want to watch a television series about &#8220;ordinary people who discover they have extraordinary abilities&#8221; - when it first screens, and then again in a video marathon when my father comes round for dinner.</p>
<p>Also, if we do get a fifth season, I am considering not following the online graphic novels anymore.  Why?  Again, because I want to watch a television series - and don&#8217;t get to see additional content, like webisodes, unless/until they are on the DVDs. So I hope all the story that we need to follow the story actually gets put in the televised episodes.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your reviews, and may we see many more of them!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’d like to know why Samuel’s given up on whatever he was planning for Peter when he branded that Magik Compass Tattoo onto him. I really hope that’ll be addressed next week, because it strikes me as one of the few gaping plotholes that’s been left unresolved all season. If Samuel wanted Peter to be the next Joseph, what happened to that plan? Is Samuel really assigning Eli to kill the guy he’d previously planned to recruit as the carnival’s new leader?&lt;/i&gt;

It would be nice to find out more about that, but I doubt they will have a chance to follow up on it. Another thing would be Samuel seeing about Nathan's death. Will he use that with Peter somehow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’d like to know why Samuel’s given up on whatever he was planning for Peter when he branded that Magik Compass Tattoo onto him. I really hope that’ll be addressed next week, because it strikes me as one of the few gaping plotholes that’s been left unresolved all season. If Samuel wanted Peter to be the next Joseph, what happened to that plan? Is Samuel really assigning Eli to kill the guy he’d previously planned to recruit as the carnival’s new leader?</i></p>
<p>It would be nice to find out more about that, but I doubt they will have a chance to follow up on it. Another thing would be Samuel seeing about Nathan&#8217;s death. Will he use that with Peter somehow?</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had been hoping to see a PSA featuring Jimmy Jean-Louis asking for help and promoting his charity along with the Red Cross or any other organizations offering aid. 

I get what you're saying, Otto, but seeing as there is an actor on the show with direct ties to Haiti, it would have been nice to see something about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had been hoping to see a PSA featuring Jimmy Jean-Louis asking for help and promoting his charity along with the Red Cross or any other organizations offering aid. </p>
<p>I get what you&#8217;re saying, Otto, but seeing as there is an actor on the show with direct ties to Haiti, it would have been nice to see something about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto, I was surprised by no Dumb As Hiro award for Emma too. In her initial appearance at the Carnival, when she was taking care of Samuel's shoulder, she seemed to be seeing him differently ... it wasn't total trust and enthusiasm with what he was signing to her. 

How about Peter warning her that Samuel's not a good guy? Shouldn't that factor into what Emma knows too? Of course, I haven't been completely sold on the fact that it was Peter smashing the cello that drove Emma to the Carnival. There must have been a missing/cut scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto, I was surprised by no Dumb As Hiro award for Emma too. In her initial appearance at the Carnival, when she was taking care of Samuel&#8217;s shoulder, she seemed to be seeing him differently &#8230; it wasn&#8217;t total trust and enthusiasm with what he was signing to her. </p>
<p>How about Peter warning her that Samuel&#8217;s not a good guy? Shouldn&#8217;t that factor into what Emma knows too? Of course, I haven&#8217;t been completely sold on the fact that it was Peter smashing the cello that drove Emma to the Carnival. There must have been a missing/cut scene.</p>
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		<title>By: renaldsrap</title>
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		<dc:creator>renaldsrap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto,
Dude, I would be happy no matter which route the show decides to go! :) I'm just saying that hopes for a 5th season are going to be very slim if they don't do something to make those disenfranchised tv critics take notice. But no, I think the best way to end this volume is with an episode that flows as well as "The Art Of Deception" or "The Fifth Stage" did. Perfectly balancing dramatic acting with dramatic action. I'm with you in the belief that the fight scene between Peter and Sylar this season was probably the best they've ever done. It was as electrifying in my eyes as Peter taking Sylar down with the syringe in "An Invisible Thread". Deliver tense moments like that, and the Finale will be amazing. But hey, I liked the season 3 finale -  so, like I said,  I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy this one regardless what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto,<br />
Dude, I would be happy no matter which route the show decides to go! <img src='http://www.herosite.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I&#8217;m just saying that hopes for a 5th season are going to be very slim if they don&#8217;t do something to make those disenfranchised tv critics take notice. But no, I think the best way to end this volume is with an episode that flows as well as &#8220;The Art Of Deception&#8221; or &#8220;The Fifth Stage&#8221; did. Perfectly balancing dramatic acting with dramatic action. I&#8217;m with you in the belief that the fight scene between Peter and Sylar this season was probably the best they&#8217;ve ever done. It was as electrifying in my eyes as Peter taking Sylar down with the syringe in &#8220;An Invisible Thread&#8221;. Deliver tense moments like that, and the Finale will be amazing. But hey, I liked the season 3 finale -  so, like I said,  I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ll enjoy this one regardless what happens.</p>
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