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	<title>Comments on: 4.05 &#8220;Hysterical Blindness&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Episode reviews and more for the hit NBC show, Heroes!</description>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/10/15/405-hysterical-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-8040</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter will get his powers back. It's the heroes journey - a hero has to learn how to use his power properly. Peter mis-used it, so he lost it... now he's got to regain Empathy so that when he gets it again he doesn't screw it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter will get his powers back. It&#8217;s the heroes journey - a hero has to learn how to use his power properly. Peter mis-used it, so he lost it&#8230; now he&#8217;s got to regain Empathy so that when he gets it again he doesn&#8217;t screw it up.</p>
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		<title>By: marc white</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/10/15/405-hysterical-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-8037</link>
		<dc:creator>marc white</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 04:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta say I'm really tired of what they did with Peter. I mean, this one ability at a time thing is LAME LAME LAME.... Who can fight with Sylar? They need to amp up the series or it's going to get cancelled with  a captial C.... It was great going into season three until Arther took Peters powers. And, why kill off Arther. Great villian, and had just as much potential as Sylar. If they don't want to see Heroes cancelled this is my suggestions: Give PEter his full ability back, get some good fight scenes going, get another villian to go along with Sylar, and for god sake stop the cheesy story lines. I've watched every episode but I might just start turning the channel or reading a book. I am rooting for the shows success, but they are making some bad decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta say I&#8217;m really tired of what they did with Peter. I mean, this one ability at a time thing is LAME LAME LAME&#8230;. Who can fight with Sylar? They need to amp up the series or it&#8217;s going to get cancelled with  a captial C&#8230;. It was great going into season three until Arther took Peters powers. And, why kill off Arther. Great villian, and had just as much potential as Sylar. If they don&#8217;t want to see Heroes cancelled this is my suggestions: Give PEter his full ability back, get some good fight scenes going, get another villian to go along with Sylar, and for god sake stop the cheesy story lines. I&#8217;ve watched every episode but I might just start turning the channel or reading a book. I am rooting for the shows success, but they are making some bad decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/10/15/405-hysterical-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-8018</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to say I agree with the person who was discussing the rating ploy as a positive thing.  We are all nervous about a show we love bein cancelled, and even though it is easy to criticize alot, I am very happy that Heroes exploited the lesbian kiss if it means it will gain more viewers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to say I agree with the person who was discussing the rating ploy as a positive thing.  We are all nervous about a show we love bein cancelled, and even though it is easy to criticize alot, I am very happy that Heroes exploited the lesbian kiss if it means it will gain more viewers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/10/15/405-hysterical-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-8014</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comic-books are worse. They're awesome in their own way, but Heroes at least sticks to their decisions... mostly.

If Heroes were a true comic-book, Linderman and Adam would show up the episode/issue after they died and shrug off their death with 'only mostly dead.'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comic-books are worse. They&#8217;re awesome in their own way, but Heroes at least sticks to their decisions&#8230; mostly.</p>
<p>If Heroes were a true comic-book, Linderman and Adam would show up the episode/issue after they died and shrug off their death with &#8216;only mostly dead.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Raissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:) I've never read the Wolverine comics, actually. I've watched the various Marvel animated shows and movies, plus read the Marvel background on-line over the years. I prefer the screen adaptations to the source material, because the writers have to take decades worth of retcons and make choices in order to build composite storylines, which are stronger, imo, as a result. I can tell Heroes is written, in part, by comic book writers, because they've felt free to retcon elements in the different seasons. It's a bad habit, which has caused some of the damage they're trying to rectify now. But, that's a separate discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.herosite.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I&#8217;ve never read the Wolverine comics, actually. I&#8217;ve watched the various Marvel animated shows and movies, plus read the Marvel background on-line over the years. I prefer the screen adaptations to the source material, because the writers have to take decades worth of retcons and make choices in order to build composite storylines, which are stronger, imo, as a result. I can tell Heroes is written, in part, by comic book writers, because they&#8217;ve felt free to retcon elements in the different seasons. It&#8217;s a bad habit, which has caused some of the damage they&#8217;re trying to rectify now. But, that&#8217;s a separate discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/10/15/405-hysterical-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-7991</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair Raissa, they're doing a far better job with tying canon together than Wolverine has. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair Raissa, they&#8217;re doing a far better job with tying canon together than Wolverine has. <img src='http://www.herosite.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Raissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Very true - but I think there is a difference between the writers not thinking something out and a character - this may be a mistake on Claire’s point, but mistakes are what make drama - with out conflict there is no drama - number one rule in writing. &lt;/i&gt;

Valid point. But, here's where I think it is the writers' fault. If they wanted to establish that Claire was ignoring the giant Phoenix in the room, her immortality, they would have other characters remind her that, for better or worse, immortality needed to be a factor in her decisions. But, Sylar and Alex are the only ones to bring it up at all -- no one else. Angela discusses college with her in S3, and she doesn't bring up that this will be the only degree she'll earn as Claire Bennet, so she'll need to cherish the normalcy before names and future degrees are faked. HRG, Mr. Undercover, never brings up that she'll need to learn deep cover techniques, just to hang on to bits of normalcy for as long as she can. Drama can and should arise from those conversations and implications, because they arise from characterization.

There are two kinds of immortal archetypes. In the first, the character regerates, because he is immortal. Vampires are the mot obvious example. In the second, the character is immortal, because he regenerates. Wolverine from the X-Men, Adam, and Claire fall in this category. My point is that immortality and regeneration go hand in hand, one way or the other. Writers, especially comic book writers should know this. Arguably then, the writers committed Claire to immortality the moment the decided on her power, regardless of whether they initially planned to continue with her beyond S1 or not. Someone on the writing team realized this, or they wouldn't have connected her to Adam at all in S2, or had Alex and Sylar bring it up since. But, things have gone thematically haywire, and we haven't gotten any explorations of the implications when those implications could be the drama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Very true - but I think there is a difference between the writers not thinking something out and a character - this may be a mistake on Claire’s point, but mistakes are what make drama - with out conflict there is no drama - number one rule in writing. </i></p>
<p>Valid point. But, here&#8217;s where I think it is the writers&#8217; fault. If they wanted to establish that Claire was ignoring the giant Phoenix in the room, her immortality, they would have other characters remind her that, for better or worse, immortality needed to be a factor in her decisions. But, Sylar and Alex are the only ones to bring it up at all &#8212; no one else. Angela discusses college with her in S3, and she doesn&#8217;t bring up that this will be the only degree she&#8217;ll earn as Claire Bennet, so she&#8217;ll need to cherish the normalcy before names and future degrees are faked. HRG, Mr. Undercover, never brings up that she&#8217;ll need to learn deep cover techniques, just to hang on to bits of normalcy for as long as she can. Drama can and should arise from those conversations and implications, because they arise from characterization.</p>
<p>There are two kinds of immortal archetypes. In the first, the character regerates, because he is immortal. Vampires are the mot obvious example. In the second, the character is immortal, because he regenerates. Wolverine from the X-Men, Adam, and Claire fall in this category. My point is that immortality and regeneration go hand in hand, one way or the other. Writers, especially comic book writers should know this. Arguably then, the writers committed Claire to immortality the moment the decided on her power, regardless of whether they initially planned to continue with her beyond S1 or not. Someone on the writing team realized this, or they wouldn&#8217;t have connected her to Adam at all in S2, or had Alex and Sylar bring it up since. But, things have gone thematically haywire, and we haven&#8217;t gotten any explorations of the implications when those implications could be the drama.</p>
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		<title>By: ThePandoraRose</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThePandoraRose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raissa:

&lt;i&gt;Claire can’t afford to have an organization, other than a family run Company, keep track of her like that. They’ll notice she’s not aging, among other things. Granted, she can fake her death when necessary or age herself through make-up and dress. But, it’s just another logistical annoyance in a world full of logistical problems she can’t avoid. She’d need to pick her battles. Granted, TPTB could solve the problem with dialogue about how she’s willing to take the risk, because she wants the social experience. But, like I said, they’ve shown that they haven’t thought Claire’s situation through. &lt;/i&gt;

Very true - but I think there is a difference between the writers not thinking something out and a character - this may be a mistake on Claire's point, but mistakes are what make drama - with out conflict there is no drama - number one rule in writing. Just like how Claire can't get away from her self thanks to google - she will be confronted with that same idea - people who knew her way back when - this of course would be beyond the scope of the show - many years down the line. Even Adam, according to the comic novels, had to pretend to be his own wife's grandson.

&lt;i&gt;She can’t save Claire beyond a certain point, though, because she’s immortal. That means Claire’s going to have a different life path by definition. The pieces of normalcy will be coping mechanisms, but not long-term life-style choices. I don’t think Angela gets that.&lt;/i&gt;

Very true, but I think Angela is worried about Claire's formative years, to be the young girl and child she never was able to be - one's childhood and adult life experience colored who we are. But also, as much as Angela see's the future she odds are can only see not to far beyond her own lifetime, and so that's not on the course - she will protect as long as she can - and no matter how fleeting there is that idea to give what you did not get. And based on what we already know about Angela - Orphaned by 16 and married by 19/20 - she DID not go to college. Which means already Claire get's the experiences Angela never did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raissa:</p>
<p><i>Claire can’t afford to have an organization, other than a family run Company, keep track of her like that. They’ll notice she’s not aging, among other things. Granted, she can fake her death when necessary or age herself through make-up and dress. But, it’s just another logistical annoyance in a world full of logistical problems she can’t avoid. She’d need to pick her battles. Granted, TPTB could solve the problem with dialogue about how she’s willing to take the risk, because she wants the social experience. But, like I said, they’ve shown that they haven’t thought Claire’s situation through. </i></p>
<p>Very true - but I think there is a difference between the writers not thinking something out and a character - this may be a mistake on Claire&#8217;s point, but mistakes are what make drama - with out conflict there is no drama - number one rule in writing. Just like how Claire can&#8217;t get away from her self thanks to google - she will be confronted with that same idea - people who knew her way back when - this of course would be beyond the scope of the show - many years down the line. Even Adam, according to the comic novels, had to pretend to be his own wife&#8217;s grandson.</p>
<p><i>She can’t save Claire beyond a certain point, though, because she’s immortal. That means Claire’s going to have a different life path by definition. The pieces of normalcy will be coping mechanisms, but not long-term life-style choices. I don’t think Angela gets that.</i></p>
<p>Very true, but I think Angela is worried about Claire&#8217;s formative years, to be the young girl and child she never was able to be - one&#8217;s childhood and adult life experience colored who we are. But also, as much as Angela see&#8217;s the future she odds are can only see not to far beyond her own lifetime, and so that&#8217;s not on the course - she will protect as long as she can - and no matter how fleeting there is that idea to give what you did not get. And based on what we already know about Angela - Orphaned by 16 and married by 19/20 - she DID not go to college. Which means already Claire get&#8217;s the experiences Angela never did.</p>
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		<title>By: Raissa</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/10/15/405-hysterical-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-7963</link>
		<dc:creator>Raissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, here's where the writers didn't think it through. Putting aside the Carnival, there's a sizable plot hole in the whole sorority story line...

Claire's immortality makes joining a sorority problematic. Sororities, by definition, track their members, past and present. They exist as social and professional networking organizations. They have newsletters, reunions, etc. which provide info on alumni at 10, 20, 30+ year intervals.

Claire can't afford to have an organization, other than a family run Company, keep track of her like that. They'll notice she's not aging, among other things. Granted, she can fake her death when necessary or age herself through make-up and dress. But, it's just another logistical annoyance in a world full of logistical problems she can't avoid. She'd need to pick her battles. Granted, TPTB could solve the problem with dialogue about how she's willing to take the risk, because she wants the social experience. But, like I said, they've shown that they haven't thought Claire's situation through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, here&#8217;s where the writers didn&#8217;t think it through. Putting aside the Carnival, there&#8217;s a sizable plot hole in the whole sorority story line&#8230;</p>
<p>Claire&#8217;s immortality makes joining a sorority problematic. Sororities, by definition, track their members, past and present. They exist as social and professional networking organizations. They have newsletters, reunions, etc. which provide info on alumni at 10, 20, 30+ year intervals.</p>
<p>Claire can&#8217;t afford to have an organization, other than a family run Company, keep track of her like that. They&#8217;ll notice she&#8217;s not aging, among other things. Granted, she can fake her death when necessary or age herself through make-up and dress. But, it&#8217;s just another logistical annoyance in a world full of logistical problems she can&#8217;t avoid. She&#8217;d need to pick her battles. Granted, TPTB could solve the problem with dialogue about how she&#8217;s willing to take the risk, because she wants the social experience. But, like I said, they&#8217;ve shown that they haven&#8217;t thought Claire&#8217;s situation through.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Angela's goal is for Claire to have at least a semblance of a normal life. Give her a period of doing the same things as everyone else before she becomes a fully-fledged superhero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Angela&#8217;s goal is for Claire to have at least a semblance of a normal life. Give her a period of doing the same things as everyone else before she becomes a fully-fledged superhero.</p>
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