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		<title>By: Teebore</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/10/08/404-acceptance/comment-page-1/#comment-8024</link>
		<dc:creator>Teebore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Peter should also be wondering how he and his brother will prevent another exploding-man scenario when Nathan absorbs too many abilities."

Maybe I'm just dense, or maybe it's a testament to the oft-murkiness of the show's writing, but I thought Peter exploded because he couldn't control RadioacTed's radiation power, not because he had absorbed too many powers. Or perhaps the volume of his powers led to his inability to control the radiation power specifically? 

Yeesh, there's stuff from season one that's still unclear...

Great review, as always!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Peter should also be wondering how he and his brother will prevent another exploding-man scenario when Nathan absorbs too many abilities.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just dense, or maybe it&#8217;s a testament to the oft-murkiness of the show&#8217;s writing, but I thought Peter exploded because he couldn&#8217;t control RadioacTed&#8217;s radiation power, not because he had absorbed too many powers. Or perhaps the volume of his powers led to his inability to control the radiation power specifically? </p>
<p>Yeesh, there&#8217;s stuff from season one that&#8217;s still unclear&#8230;</p>
<p>Great review, as always!</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Dowdell</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/10/08/404-acceptance/comment-page-1/#comment-7835</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Dowdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by that logic, surely Peter would still be wondering why he didn’t absorb the entire batch when he met Sylar back in Season One? Shouldn’t Peter be wondering why he only got TK and why Nathan seems to have absorbed TK plus everything else? Does Peter just figure they both absorbed everything from Sylar, and it’s just a case of Nathan accessing all of those abilities faster than Peter did back in the day?&lt;/i&gt;

Who's to say that Peter didn't absorb all of Sylar's accumulated powers? Peter, back at that time, seemed to have to be aware of a power on some level to trigger it - his conscious use of powers appeared to have some requirement of knowledge of the powers he was attempting to use (as well as an emotional connection of sorts, as demonstrated by his early training in their use). Thusly, while he might well have picked up all of Sylar's powers during their various encounters... he didn't know about most of them, and most strongly associates Sylar with telekinesis.

Peter was, at the time, an example of a character with a power whose full applications were never employed - Peter never saw, nor did he attempt to explore, the full range of powers he could potentially tap into (making him a counterpoint to Sylar, whose true power is his ability to understand how things function and whose control over his accumulated powers was absolute until his identity crisis, which was more a matter of degrading sanity than anything else). His current version of that power (note that he's still being referred to as an Empath) is different in this regard - with only one power at a time, and a (normally) deliberate means of selecting that power, he's found a need to examine his abilities in more detail to get the most out of a much more limited talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by that logic, surely Peter would still be wondering why he didn’t absorb the entire batch when he met Sylar back in Season One? Shouldn’t Peter be wondering why he only got TK and why Nathan seems to have absorbed TK plus everything else? Does Peter just figure they both absorbed everything from Sylar, and it’s just a case of Nathan accessing all of those abilities faster than Peter did back in the day?</i></p>
<p>Who&#8217;s to say that Peter didn&#8217;t absorb all of Sylar&#8217;s accumulated powers? Peter, back at that time, seemed to have to be aware of a power on some level to trigger it - his conscious use of powers appeared to have some requirement of knowledge of the powers he was attempting to use (as well as an emotional connection of sorts, as demonstrated by his early training in their use). Thusly, while he might well have picked up all of Sylar&#8217;s powers during their various encounters&#8230; he didn&#8217;t know about most of them, and most strongly associates Sylar with telekinesis.</p>
<p>Peter was, at the time, an example of a character with a power whose full applications were never employed - Peter never saw, nor did he attempt to explore, the full range of powers he could potentially tap into (making him a counterpoint to Sylar, whose true power is his ability to understand how things function and whose control over his accumulated powers was absolute until his identity crisis, which was more a matter of degrading sanity than anything else). His current version of that power (note that he&#8217;s still being referred to as an Empath) is different in this regard - with only one power at a time, and a (normally) deliberate means of selecting that power, he&#8217;s found a need to examine his abilities in more detail to get the most out of a much more limited talent.</p>
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		<title>By: LostAtSea</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/10/08/404-acceptance/comment-page-1/#comment-7562</link>
		<dc:creator>LostAtSea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with this statement. 

Tracy actually said this line in episode 3x02: 'You dont pay me for the sex, i give that for free. You pay me for my advice...'

So she was actually a lobbyist/advisor or whatever, but slept with Malden for fun (?!), and because it helped her get ahead.

She was just, understandably, disappointed to learn that Malden, in his own way, actually technically did pay her for the sex. By which i mean, he chose her for the job because of the sex...he could have gotten someone smarter and better.

I, for one, hope we see some of Tracy's life before Malden and politics.

LostAtSea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with this statement. </p>
<p>Tracy actually said this line in episode 3&#215;02: &#8216;You dont pay me for the sex, i give that for free. You pay me for my advice&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>So she was actually a lobbyist/advisor or whatever, but slept with Malden for fun (?!), and because it helped her get ahead.</p>
<p>She was just, understandably, disappointed to learn that Malden, in his own way, actually technically did pay her for the sex. By which i mean, he chose her for the job because of the sex&#8230;he could have gotten someone smarter and better.</p>
<p>I, for one, hope we see some of Tracy&#8217;s life before Malden and politics.</p>
<p>LostAtSea</p>
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		<title>By: Esylum</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/10/08/404-acceptance/comment-page-1/#comment-7531</link>
		<dc:creator>Esylum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Otto,

Another great review with insightful analysis over various plot points that I missed (as usual). However, I was really riveted by the amount of character drama and character development in this episode and I found it thoroughly enjoyable and as compelling as some of the best episodes the series has had.

As for your closing point on Millie out-Angela-ing Angela, I'll have to disagree on that. When Angela returned Millie's toast with her poker face smile and said "To Closure...", my first thought was "Holy... She planned this right from the start! She wanted to tie this loose end by manipulating someone else to clean up her own mess! This is so freakin awesome!" Given her ability of precognition, it really isn't much of a stretch to assume that she knew that the cap would trigger Bridgette's ability (Which Angela was aware of) and lead to the events that would cause the hit on Sylathan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Otto,</p>
<p>Another great review with insightful analysis over various plot points that I missed (as usual). However, I was really riveted by the amount of character drama and character development in this episode and I found it thoroughly enjoyable and as compelling as some of the best episodes the series has had.</p>
<p>As for your closing point on Millie out-Angela-ing Angela, I&#8217;ll have to disagree on that. When Angela returned Millie&#8217;s toast with her poker face smile and said &#8220;To Closure&#8230;&#8221;, my first thought was &#8220;Holy&#8230; She planned this right from the start! She wanted to tie this loose end by manipulating someone else to clean up her own mess! This is so freakin awesome!&#8221; Given her ability of precognition, it really isn&#8217;t much of a stretch to assume that she knew that the cap would trigger Bridgette&#8217;s ability (Which Angela was aware of) and lead to the events that would cause the hit on Sylathan.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/10/08/404-acceptance/comment-page-1/#comment-7442</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Otto,

I've been reading your reviews on the episodes week-by-week this season, and I have to say, you analyse things in great detail. I also get the impression you're not a big fan of Hiro... lol

There are so many plotholes in this show it's getting ridiculous... 

Someone still needs to explain to me where Caitlin is... because last I checked, she's stuck in a future which doesn't exist anymore and Peter is showing no remorse... he's just simply moved on with his life.

In addition, which episode was it that Hiro regained his time travelling powers? I remember baby Parkman touching Hiro, "turning on his powers", but if I remember correctly, it only turned on his time freezing ability. I assumed when he travelled back in time to the Carnival that was by mistake, with his powers more or less taking control. But then he managed to successfully time travel 47x after that to stop the butt-photocopying...

Can someone shed some light on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Otto,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reading your reviews on the episodes week-by-week this season, and I have to say, you analyse things in great detail. I also get the impression you&#8217;re not a big fan of Hiro&#8230; lol</p>
<p>There are so many plotholes in this show it&#8217;s getting ridiculous&#8230; </p>
<p>Someone still needs to explain to me where Caitlin is&#8230; because last I checked, she&#8217;s stuck in a future which doesn&#8217;t exist anymore and Peter is showing no remorse&#8230; he&#8217;s just simply moved on with his life.</p>
<p>In addition, which episode was it that Hiro regained his time travelling powers? I remember baby Parkman touching Hiro, &#8220;turning on his powers&#8221;, but if I remember correctly, it only turned on his time freezing ability. I assumed when he travelled back in time to the Carnival that was by mistake, with his powers more or less taking control. But then he managed to successfully time travel 47x after that to stop the butt-photocopying&#8230;</p>
<p>Can someone shed some light on that?</p>
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		<title>By: CJM</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question.  Does anyone know if Fuller wrote anymore episodes of Heroes beyond this one for the season?  I don't know when exactly in the season he signed off on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question.  Does anyone know if Fuller wrote anymore episodes of Heroes beyond this one for the season?  I don&#8217;t know when exactly in the season he signed off on.</p>
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		<title>By: Pas</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/10/08/404-acceptance/comment-page-1/#comment-7324</link>
		<dc:creator>Pas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, that's about it. That's why I think a more serious plot would have been benefic for Hiro, and for the way people see Hiro (read in that : the show clown). Changing the motive for suicide each time (once or twice, not 47) would have been good enough to show Hiro can't cheat death simply by time travelling, or at least not easily. While watching the different part of Hiro's storyline this week, I just had "The Butterfly Effect" (the movie, not the episode) in mind. That and realizing he can just talk him out of suicide the 48th time just makes the whole thing laughable.
It just made me thing of how  it could have been better than just butt-coyping humour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, that&#8217;s about it. That&#8217;s why I think a more serious plot would have been benefic for Hiro, and for the way people see Hiro (read in that : the show clown). Changing the motive for suicide each time (once or twice, not 47) would have been good enough to show Hiro can&#8217;t cheat death simply by time travelling, or at least not easily. While watching the different part of Hiro&#8217;s storyline this week, I just had &#8220;The Butterfly Effect&#8221; (the movie, not the episode) in mind. That and realizing he can just talk him out of suicide the 48th time just makes the whole thing laughable.<br />
It just made me thing of how  it could have been better than just butt-coyping humour.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrcaliche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrcaliche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with a lot of stuff in the review but disagree on the Tracy part of it. I think you missed the point completely. If you remember Tracy's first appearance she DID have Malden's confidence in her decisions, after all she clearly stated he paid her to make decisions, but the sex with him was for free. Tracy was one of these over-confident alpha women when she was with Malden, so when she came back trying to get her job back, she looked absolutely confident, and didn't resent the looks from men. The problem was that, when Malden proved to be far more interested in getting her to bed than hearing what she had to say, she basically realized that he never really cared about her decisions, and her only real card to play since the beginning had been sex. She basically realized she was not the super genius counselor she thought she was, she was just "the girl who uses sex to manipulate others and uses it because it's the only way she'll get others to listen to her". So I think her reaction was pretty justified and not at all out of character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with a lot of stuff in the review but disagree on the Tracy part of it. I think you missed the point completely. If you remember Tracy&#8217;s first appearance she DID have Malden&#8217;s confidence in her decisions, after all she clearly stated he paid her to make decisions, but the sex with him was for free. Tracy was one of these over-confident alpha women when she was with Malden, so when she came back trying to get her job back, she looked absolutely confident, and didn&#8217;t resent the looks from men. The problem was that, when Malden proved to be far more interested in getting her to bed than hearing what she had to say, she basically realized that he never really cared about her decisions, and her only real card to play since the beginning had been sex. She basically realized she was not the super genius counselor she thought she was, she was just &#8220;the girl who uses sex to manipulate others and uses it because it&#8217;s the only way she&#8217;ll get others to listen to her&#8221;. So I think her reaction was pretty justified and not at all out of character.</p>
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		<title>By: Thepandorarose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thepandorarose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree about Tracy and Hiro not meeing his past self. :)

Also, are we now meant to believe Arthur had a brother "Tim"? Works for me, 'cause I felt Petrellis come in male groups of twos - goes with the themes of the show, Angela had a younger sister, Arthur a younger brother, perhaps?

&lt;i&gt;But it’s evidence of the show tinkering with its canon to suit the requirements of the current story, and although it’s only a minor detail, it gives a sloppy impression to fans who are paying attention.&lt;/i&gt;

What KILLS me about this one is we have two other characters they could have used and not messed with Canon. For one Arthur... which would make us believe as of the mid 80's Arthur didn't have that particular power yet. Two: Maury - we don't know when he swayed from the Company, he could have been used. I opt for the Arthur one because "we" cleaned it up, seems more in canon with the past of Angela's life, than "I" did. I guess Arthur was out of town.

&lt;i&gt;As is generally the case, Angela’s perspective contains a grain of deranged logic; there’s an opportunistic angle, because Angela’s first priority was probably to avoid a scandal that might hurt Nathan’s rise to political power. But behind the extreme solution, there also seems to be a very understandable wish to spare her son a lifetime of trauma.&lt;/i&gt;

Funny, I didn't see it that way, but I totally could see it. I actually assumed when she talked about doing it for her son's sake, it would have ruined him, not the trauma, but the fact that it didn't look like an accident and he had a bright future to think of - very Kennedy.

&lt;i&gt;… is one of a parent desperately searching for forgiveness from her child, as opposed to a co-conspirator trying to silence a protest from the monster she created. When Angela tells Sylathan not to let this incident destroy him, we get the impression that she’s genuinely concerned for him. And in spite of everything about Sylathan that terrifies Angela, this is an indication that she’s losing her ability to distinguish Sylathan from Nathan. &lt;/i&gt;

and brings home the fact that Angela says she did this, made Sylar Nathan to save her own kind, but I really think this is the instance of her most selfish act - she might have gone mad it he had died and as much as she knows it's not Nathan, she's fooling herself into thinking it is for her own sanity.

&lt;i&gt;Millie tricks Angela and delivers the same steely-eyed panache that Cristine Rose has defined as her own over the years. In effect, Millie out-Angela’s Angela. &lt;/i&gt;

LOL. Really makes you think that as much as Angela was living a double life with her friends and the outside world and even to her family - she managered to find a friend who is a bossom buddy of sorts. lol.


Great review. The dialogue was so good, but the treads we'ren't. Do we know if this was re-written after he left, or Fuller was just stuck with what the story was?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree about Tracy and Hiro not meeing his past self. <img src='http://www.herosite.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, are we now meant to believe Arthur had a brother &#8220;Tim&#8221;? Works for me, &#8217;cause I felt Petrellis come in male groups of twos - goes with the themes of the show, Angela had a younger sister, Arthur a younger brother, perhaps?</p>
<p><i>But it’s evidence of the show tinkering with its canon to suit the requirements of the current story, and although it’s only a minor detail, it gives a sloppy impression to fans who are paying attention.</i></p>
<p>What KILLS me about this one is we have two other characters they could have used and not messed with Canon. For one Arthur&#8230; which would make us believe as of the mid 80&#8217;s Arthur didn&#8217;t have that particular power yet. Two: Maury - we don&#8217;t know when he swayed from the Company, he could have been used. I opt for the Arthur one because &#8220;we&#8221; cleaned it up, seems more in canon with the past of Angela&#8217;s life, than &#8220;I&#8221; did. I guess Arthur was out of town.</p>
<p><i>As is generally the case, Angela’s perspective contains a grain of deranged logic; there’s an opportunistic angle, because Angela’s first priority was probably to avoid a scandal that might hurt Nathan’s rise to political power. But behind the extreme solution, there also seems to be a very understandable wish to spare her son a lifetime of trauma.</i></p>
<p>Funny, I didn&#8217;t see it that way, but I totally could see it. I actually assumed when she talked about doing it for her son&#8217;s sake, it would have ruined him, not the trauma, but the fact that it didn&#8217;t look like an accident and he had a bright future to think of - very Kennedy.</p>
<p><i>… is one of a parent desperately searching for forgiveness from her child, as opposed to a co-conspirator trying to silence a protest from the monster she created. When Angela tells Sylathan not to let this incident destroy him, we get the impression that she’s genuinely concerned for him. And in spite of everything about Sylathan that terrifies Angela, this is an indication that she’s losing her ability to distinguish Sylathan from Nathan. </i></p>
<p>and brings home the fact that Angela says she did this, made Sylar Nathan to save her own kind, but I really think this is the instance of her most selfish act - she might have gone mad it he had died and as much as she knows it&#8217;s not Nathan, she&#8217;s fooling herself into thinking it is for her own sanity.</p>
<p><i>Millie tricks Angela and delivers the same steely-eyed panache that Cristine Rose has defined as her own over the years. In effect, Millie out-Angela’s Angela. </i></p>
<p>LOL. Really makes you think that as much as Angela was living a double life with her friends and the outside world and even to her family - she managered to find a friend who is a bossom buddy of sorts. lol.</p>
<p>Great review. The dialogue was so good, but the treads we&#8217;ren&#8217;t. Do we know if this was re-written after he left, or Fuller was just stuck with what the story was?</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yeah, I forgot about the DVD sales. 

A few weeks ago Adrian posted this on his YouTube account: "I have not seen the show yet, been working.... But we really seem to be on the forefront of a ratings change. Our ratings go up 35% once the alternate (?) methods of viewing are accounted for. So it takes at least a week to factor that in. Nielson is an old outdated system that misleads, and confuses the truth by measuring real viewership with an﻿ antiquated scale. So frustrating...!"

 &lt;i&gt;I agree, they’ll hold onto the show for lack of anything to replace it with&lt;/i&gt; 

Uh oh, did you see that NBC won the new JJ Abrams show?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yeah, I forgot about the DVD sales. </p>
<p>A few weeks ago Adrian posted this on his YouTube account: &#8220;I have not seen the show yet, been working&#8230;. But we really seem to be on the forefront of a ratings change. Our ratings go up 35% once the alternate (?) methods of viewing are accounted for. So it takes at least a week to factor that in. Nielson is an old outdated system that misleads, and confuses the truth by measuring real viewership with an﻿ antiquated scale. So frustrating&#8230;!&#8221;</p>
<p> <i>I agree, they’ll hold onto the show for lack of anything to replace it with</i> </p>
<p>Uh oh, did you see that NBC won the new JJ Abrams show?</p>
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