Comments on: 3.21 “Into Asylum” http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/04/02/321-into-asylum/ Episode reviews and more for the hit NBC show, Heroes! Wed, 08 Feb 2012 03:00:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: t.c. http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/04/02/321-into-asylum/comment-page-1/#comment-1471 t.c. Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:03:48 +0000 http://www.herosite.net/blog/?p=504#comment-1471 you guys are too negative it's just a t.v. show quit overanalyzing it.....except you otto you guys are too negative it’s just a t.v. show quit overanalyzing it…..except you otto

]]> By: Leigh http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/04/02/321-into-asylum/comment-page-1/#comment-1459 Leigh Sun, 05 Apr 2009 19:04:49 +0000 http://www.herosite.net/blog/?p=504#comment-1459 Well, I meant if he stayed president as "Nathan Petrelli". Besides, Nathan is technically a fugitive now, not exactly what I look for in a president. Also, it's not like the public doesn't know who Nathan is. There was the whole asassination caught on camera and he did that news interview in "A Clear And Present Danger". If I were an American citizen in the Heroes-verse I'd think Nathan was a looney toon and sure as heck wouldn't vote for him. You'd think all kinds of conspiracy theories would have popped up about Nathan. What would you think if someone made a speech about "Something important that the world needs to know" and that he himself exhibits this "extraordinary thing" and he was "scared of it at first" and BAM! gets made made into Swiss cheese over it? There's something strange about it no matter how you look at it. You'd think America would get a clue that something is off about this guy. "He can stay in power for as many terms as he likes - he is afterall, an immortal shapeshifter, and thus he can just usurp the identity of each new president as they come along until he gets bored of the routine after a few decades…" ^^ This is just proof that the show has let Sylar get WAY too powerful. Seriously, there's no suspense to Sylar anymore becuse you know he's capable of getting whatever he wants with next to no struggle. Well, I meant if he stayed president as “Nathan Petrelli”. Besides, Nathan is technically a fugitive now, not exactly what I look for in a president. Also, it’s not like the public doesn’t know who Nathan is. There was the whole asassination caught on camera and he did that news interview in “A Clear And Present Danger”. If I were an American citizen in the Heroes-verse I’d think Nathan was a looney toon and sure as heck wouldn’t vote for him. You’d think all kinds of conspiracy theories would have popped up about Nathan. What would you think if someone made a speech about “Something important that the world needs to know” and that he himself exhibits this “extraordinary thing” and he was “scared of it at first” and BAM! gets made made into Swiss cheese over it? There’s something strange about it no matter how you look at it. You’d think America would get a clue that something is off about this guy.

“He can stay in power for as many terms as he likes - he is afterall, an immortal shapeshifter, and thus he can just usurp the identity of each new president as they come along until he gets bored of the routine after a few decades…”

^^ This is just proof that the show has let Sylar get WAY too powerful. Seriously, there’s no suspense to Sylar anymore becuse you know he’s capable of getting whatever he wants with next to no struggle.

]]> By: Susan http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/04/02/321-into-asylum/comment-page-1/#comment-1458 Susan Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:02:37 +0000 http://www.herosite.net/blog/?p=504#comment-1458 True, unless the show wants to contradict the online comic. True, unless the show wants to contradict the online comic.

]]> By: Otto http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/04/02/321-into-asylum/comment-page-1/#comment-1456 Otto Sun, 05 Apr 2009 13:44:52 +0000 http://www.herosite.net/blog/?p=504#comment-1456 <strong>Ian</strong>, just a thought on the Sylar/Danko issue you brought up: I think this is an example of why we really needed to learn more about Danko's motives sooner. The way Danko's been portrayed -- as a guy whose whole life is devoted to his obsession -- it seems like there'd be very little for him to live for once this operation is over. So, I agree, Danko would probably go to his grave a happy man if he knew that all but one of his targets had been wiped out. That said, my issue is we don't know whether Danko would care if Sylar moved onto targeting non-superpowered civilians instead of just getting a few of them killed in the crossfire. We don't know if Danko's motives really extend to protecting the general population, or whether that's just his pretext for wanting everyone with an ability dead. That's where I think Danko's backstory perhaps needed to be clearer. Judging from the way Danko reacted to Angela's mention of the Angola incident, it could be that at one time he was more of an ends-justify-the-means humanitarian than a monster. <strong>Pas</strong>, you brought up a point in your post that I really wanted to make in the review: that Peter clearly wasn't having the same apocalyptic dreams that Angela was. It could be that the ability is "sentient," in the sense that it warns the dreamer about something that directly affects them ("Your brother has been in an accident, go to the hospital NOW," "You're about to be apprehended by government agents -- get out of the car NOW!"), or it could be that Angela and The Company did enough over the years that Angela's initial dreams of the Apocalypse have been averted, which is why Peter never dreamed anything like it after he absorbed her ability. Ian, just a thought on the Sylar/Danko issue you brought up: I think this is an example of why we really needed to learn more about Danko’s motives sooner. The way Danko’s been portrayed — as a guy whose whole life is devoted to his obsession — it seems like there’d be very little for him to live for once this operation is over. So, I agree, Danko would probably go to his grave a happy man if he knew that all but one of his targets had been wiped out.

That said, my issue is we don’t know whether Danko would care if Sylar moved onto targeting non-superpowered civilians instead of just getting a few of them killed in the crossfire. We don’t know if Danko’s motives really extend to protecting the general population, or whether that’s just his pretext for wanting everyone with an ability dead. That’s where I think Danko’s backstory perhaps needed to be clearer. Judging from the way Danko reacted to Angela’s mention of the Angola incident, it could be that at one time he was more of an ends-justify-the-means humanitarian than a monster.

Pas, you brought up a point in your post that I really wanted to make in the review: that Peter clearly wasn’t having the same apocalyptic dreams that Angela was. It could be that the ability is “sentient,” in the sense that it warns the dreamer about something that directly affects them (”Your brother has been in an accident, go to the hospital NOW,” “You’re about to be apprehended by government agents — get out of the car NOW!”), or it could be that Angela and The Company did enough over the years that Angela’s initial dreams of the Apocalypse have been averted, which is why Peter never dreamed anything like it after he absorbed her ability.

]]> By: Myrystyr http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/04/02/321-into-asylum/comment-page-1/#comment-1453 Myrystyr Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:07:48 +0000 http://www.herosite.net/blog/?p=504#comment-1453 I have a standing bet with myself that: 1 - Everyone on the show will end up being related to the Cheerleader 2 - Adam secretly is/was Noah's father Bringing in a 'soap opera surprise' plot-device character and automatically making them a Petrelli - instead of, say, a Nakamura, Masahashi, Sanders/Dawson, Parkman, Suresh, Gray, Davis, Taylor, Monroe, Linderman, Deveaux, or even a Hanson (remember her?) - brings us yet another step closer to fulfilling condition 1 of my bet. Still, looking forward to seeing this episode. Whenever Channel 7 Australia deems to air it. I have a standing bet with myself that:

1 - Everyone on the show will end up being related to the Cheerleader
2 - Adam secretly is/was Noah’s father

Bringing in a ’soap opera surprise’ plot-device character and automatically making them a Petrelli - instead of, say, a Nakamura, Masahashi, Sanders/Dawson, Parkman, Suresh, Gray, Davis, Taylor, Monroe, Linderman, Deveaux, or even a Hanson (remember her?) - brings us yet another step closer to fulfilling condition 1 of my bet.

Still, looking forward to seeing this episode. Whenever Channel 7 Australia deems to air it.

]]> By: Nathan Dowdell http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/04/02/321-into-asylum/comment-page-1/#comment-1452 Nathan Dowdell Sun, 05 Apr 2009 08:19:51 +0000 http://www.herosite.net/blog/?p=504#comment-1452 <i>I find it highly unlikely Sylar could stay in office for a second term. </i> He can stay in power for as many terms as he likes - he is afterall, an immortal shapeshifter, and thus he can just usurp the identity of each new president as they come along until he gets bored of the routine after a few decades... I find it highly unlikely Sylar could stay in office for a second term.
He can stay in power for as many terms as he likes - he is afterall, an immortal shapeshifter, and thus he can just usurp the identity of each new president as they come along until he gets bored of the routine after a few decades…

]]> By: Otto http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/04/02/321-into-asylum/comment-page-1/#comment-1450 Otto Sun, 05 Apr 2009 07:14:51 +0000 http://www.herosite.net/blog/?p=504#comment-1450 My bad, thanks for pointing it out Susan. The point remains the same, though: it'd now be pretty tough for HRG and Hana to get that operation running. My bad, thanks for pointing it out Susan. The point remains the same, though: it’d now be pretty tough for HRG and Hana to get that operation running.

]]> By: Leigh http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/04/02/321-into-asylum/comment-page-1/#comment-1448 Leigh Sun, 05 Apr 2009 04:19:36 +0000 http://www.herosite.net/blog/?p=504#comment-1448 "I saw it as Danko accepting that he needed to defer to HRG’s wisdom because his initial approach — “Don’t work with them, just exterminate them” — wasn’t getting the job done. I don’t see it as Danko doing a 180 so much as adapting his approach" ^^ True. I still don't care for it much, but I can see your rationale. As for the Sylar-as-presdent scenario, I find it highly unlikely Sylar could stay in office for a second term. Actually I'll find it hard to believe if he doesn't get impeached. I'll have some faith in the American people and say that they might not be so hot on a president who rounds people up to put them in internment camps. And when presidents don't do well in areas such as the economy or foreign policy (which I can't see Sylar as being remotely good at) poeple generally don't vote for that person again. I guess he could try doing the super hunts in secret, but if he ever got caught doing someting of that magnitude, without any Congress approval to boot, I can't see it ending well for him. After I wrote all this however, I remembered that people still supported Franklin D. Roosevelt after Japanese internment during WWII, thanks in part to propaganda, and still voted George W. Bush back into office after all his mess. I know judging FDR on that one bad move isn't fair, in fact he was a great president, but you know what I'm trying to get across. (Please don't attack me ok?) Lol! I just managed to compare Sylar, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and George W. Bush.....oh Heroes :) “I saw it as Danko accepting that he needed to defer to HRG’s wisdom because his initial approach — “Don’t work with them, just exterminate them” — wasn’t getting the job done. I don’t see it as Danko doing a 180 so much as adapting his approach”

^^ True. I still don’t care for it much, but I can see your rationale.

As for the Sylar-as-presdent scenario, I find it highly unlikely Sylar could stay in office for a second term. Actually I’ll find it hard to believe if he doesn’t get impeached. I’ll have some faith in the American people and say that they might not be so hot on a president who rounds people up to put them in internment camps. And when presidents don’t do well in areas such as the economy or foreign policy (which I can’t see Sylar as being remotely good at) poeple generally don’t vote for that person again. I guess he could try doing the super hunts in secret, but if he ever got caught doing someting of that magnitude, without any Congress approval to boot, I can’t see it ending well for him.

After I wrote all this however, I remembered that people still supported Franklin D. Roosevelt after Japanese internment during WWII, thanks in part to propaganda, and still voted George W. Bush back into office after all his mess. I know judging FDR on that one bad move isn’t fair, in fact he was a great president, but you know what I’m trying to get across. (Please don’t attack me ok?)

Lol! I just managed to compare Sylar, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and George W. Bush…..oh Heroes :)

]]> By: Susan http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/04/02/321-into-asylum/comment-page-1/#comment-1447 Susan Sun, 05 Apr 2009 03:18:14 +0000 http://www.herosite.net/blog/?p=504#comment-1447 Otto, I believe that was HRG and Hana, not Candice, running the underground. Otto, I believe that was HRG and Hana, not Candice, running the underground.

]]> By: Ian http://www.herosite.net/blog/2009/04/02/321-into-asylum/comment-page-1/#comment-1443 Ian Sat, 04 Apr 2009 22:55:37 +0000 http://www.herosite.net/blog/?p=504#comment-1443 One thing with regards to Danko - he knows Sylar and his file. Sylar has killed innocents, but usually it has a connection to him hunting those with abilities. If he's the only one left, I could see Danko being prepared to die. He's already said he'd be prepared to die to prove that these people were the slime he believed them to be, so a chance at eliminating all but one would probably suit his end. One thing with regards to Danko - he knows Sylar and his file. Sylar has killed innocents, but usually it has a connection to him hunting those with abilities. If he’s the only one left, I could see Danko being prepared to die. He’s already said he’d be prepared to die to prove that these people were the slime he believed them to be, so a chance at eliminating all but one would probably suit his end.

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