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		<title>By: labiculum</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2008/12/19/313-duel/comment-page-1/#comment-1108</link>
		<dc:creator>labiculum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there. Concerning the recap issue, I'm glad to have finally found someone who actually made the same observation, i.e. the recapped scenes being different in the actual episode. If you rewatch the Arthur/Catalyst part in "Our Father", you will notice that the "missing" lines from Arthur and Mohinder are nevertheless set up: During the hands-on approach, Arthur looks at Mohinder several times as if awaiting instruction. Here the lines from the recap would actually make sense.
Having pointed that out, I wonder if anyone knows something more about that issue. Is there a "Behind the Eclipse" or something featuring a statement regarding this change from the creators? How will this be handled on the DVD release, since they did correct a few mistakes in the first season disc set? I am not aware of another show where a similar episode/recap difference happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there. Concerning the recap issue, I&#8217;m glad to have finally found someone who actually made the same observation, i.e. the recapped scenes being different in the actual episode. If you rewatch the Arthur/Catalyst part in &#8220;Our Father&#8221;, you will notice that the &#8220;missing&#8221; lines from Arthur and Mohinder are nevertheless set up: During the hands-on approach, Arthur looks at Mohinder several times as if awaiting instruction. Here the lines from the recap would actually make sense.<br />
Having pointed that out, I wonder if anyone knows something more about that issue. Is there a &#8220;Behind the Eclipse&#8221; or something featuring a statement regarding this change from the creators? How will this be handled on the DVD release, since they did correct a few mistakes in the first season disc set? I am not aware of another show where a similar episode/recap difference happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Gibb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Gibb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi
Newbie Here
I was just thinking,
I think that peter will have to start again with regainning his powers, the reason i say this is that the writers might not wanna use the whole time travel route for now at least because of the NBC description states about hiro helping ando with his superpowers. If peter can just remember the powers then he can still affectively time travel therefore now taking the show in the direction everyone is talking about, anyway just a thought and it might have already been mentioned!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi<br />
Newbie Here<br />
I was just thinking,<br />
I think that peter will have to start again with regainning his powers, the reason i say this is that the writers might not wanna use the whole time travel route for now at least because of the NBC description states about hiro helping ando with his superpowers. If peter can just remember the powers then he can still affectively time travel therefore now taking the show in the direction everyone is talking about, anyway just a thought and it might have already been mentioned!</p>
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		<title>By: Myrystyr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myrystyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I was thinking something like that the other day...

Daphne: hey look, you have messages!

Matt: H'mm, one from Mohinder...

*plays message*

Mohinder: Matt? Sylar was here.  I've sent Molly to my mother's, in India, for her protection.  I'm going to be very busy in the lab, with this new special I met, for some time.  Oh, and I bought fresh bagels. *click*

Daphne: ...who's Molly?

Matt: Our daughter.  Well, my adopted daughter - she's living with us in the future.

Daphne: the future you say you saw.  Whatever!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I was thinking something like that the other day&#8230;</p>
<p>Daphne: hey look, you have messages!</p>
<p>Matt: H&#8217;mm, one from Mohinder&#8230;</p>
<p>*plays message*</p>
<p>Mohinder: Matt? Sylar was here.  I&#8217;ve sent Molly to my mother&#8217;s, in India, for her protection.  I&#8217;m going to be very busy in the lab, with this new special I met, for some time.  Oh, and I bought fresh bagels. *click*</p>
<p>Daphne: &#8230;who&#8217;s Molly?</p>
<p>Matt: Our daughter.  Well, my adopted daughter - she&#8217;s living with us in the future.</p>
<p>Daphne: the future you say you saw.  Whatever!</p>
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		<title>By: Sezza80</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sezza80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why didn't HRG just knock Meredith unconcious with his gun or get her to run her hands under the taps in the sink in the room? I don't think she needn't have got that bad.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why didn&#8217;t HRG just knock Meredith unconcious with his gun or get her to run her hands under the taps in the sink in the room? I don&#8217;t think she needn&#8217;t have got that bad.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know if you'll read this, Otto, but is there a chance that with the new volume you can put a reset to the Dumb as awards and give Peter a chance to restart? what if there's a chance for a Dumb as Hiro, Dumb as Nathan ir Dumb as Claire awards? what do you think?  I'm certainly hoping a reset.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ll read this, Otto, but is there a chance that with the new volume you can put a reset to the Dumb as awards and give Peter a chance to restart? what if there&#8217;s a chance for a Dumb as Hiro, Dumb as Nathan ir Dumb as Claire awards? what do you think?  I&#8217;m certainly hoping a reset.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2008/12/19/313-duel/comment-page-1/#comment-743</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy (late) new year to all :)

Too bad that you're not planning to do a "volume" review, but the single episode reviews are already great (can't say how much time you spend on them ^^) so I don't know if you could that much in a global review :).

I'm looking forward to see where volume 4 goes. "Change" seems to be the thing most of people expect so I guess it's just wait and see for now :)

I too think that Peter will start over with the power collection. Maybe that is a way to avoid super-powered Peter, that is only slowed down by how he uses his powers. I just wonder what will happen when (if) he meets Sylar again. Will he only absorb TK (we never really saw Peter use other powers he could have got from Sylar) or everything? Dunno what to think about it.

Since the volume focused a lot on Sylar, am I the only one who think we saw "not enough" (too many "good/bad" flip flops) and "too much" of him at the same time ? What I liked about him as a villain in season 1 was that we didn't see him all the time (maybe could have got old). At least, the character got over the "power farming" (I personnaly think that TK and regeneration makes him powerful enough but maybe it's just me) and I hope his arc in next volume is worth it. I'd also love to see what happen if he bumps into Peter/Hiro or even Matt. They know that based on circonstances, he could not have been as evil as he is (at least Peter and Hiro do, and maybe Matt if his spirit walk didn't consist in watching from his future self sight).

On a side not, did someone find ironic the way Angela and Arthur acted with Sylar ? Seems like they both were just manipulating him, but "good" Angela "fed" him, while A"bad" rthur tried to "teach" him empathy. Maybe the not-so-Petrelli wasn't planned then but it feels kinda funny. We could say that they act differently towards Peter and Nathan and the volume was about good/bad duality but still ^^
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy (late) new year to all <img src='http://www.herosite.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Too bad that you&#8217;re not planning to do a &#8220;volume&#8221; review, but the single episode reviews are already great (can&#8217;t say how much time you spend on them ^^) so I don&#8217;t know if you could that much in a global review :).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to see where volume 4 goes. &#8220;Change&#8221; seems to be the thing most of people expect so I guess it&#8217;s just wait and see for now <img src='http://www.herosite.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I too think that Peter will start over with the power collection. Maybe that is a way to avoid super-powered Peter, that is only slowed down by how he uses his powers. I just wonder what will happen when (if) he meets Sylar again. Will he only absorb TK (we never really saw Peter use other powers he could have got from Sylar) or everything? Dunno what to think about it.</p>
<p>Since the volume focused a lot on Sylar, am I the only one who think we saw &#8220;not enough&#8221; (too many &#8220;good/bad&#8221; flip flops) and &#8220;too much&#8221; of him at the same time ? What I liked about him as a villain in season 1 was that we didn&#8217;t see him all the time (maybe could have got old). At least, the character got over the &#8220;power farming&#8221; (I personnaly think that TK and regeneration makes him powerful enough but maybe it&#8217;s just me) and I hope his arc in next volume is worth it. I&#8217;d also love to see what happen if he bumps into Peter/Hiro or even Matt. They know that based on circonstances, he could not have been as evil as he is (at least Peter and Hiro do, and maybe Matt if his spirit walk didn&#8217;t consist in watching from his future self sight).</p>
<p>On a side not, did someone find ironic the way Angela and Arthur acted with Sylar ? Seems like they both were just manipulating him, but &#8220;good&#8221; Angela &#8220;fed&#8221; him, while A&#8221;bad&#8221; rthur tried to &#8220;teach&#8221; him empathy. Maybe the not-so-Petrelli wasn&#8217;t planned then but it feels kinda funny. We could say that they act differently towards Peter and Nathan and the volume was about good/bad duality but still ^^</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 01:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Maybe the absorption ability had more time to work its way through the selection, so to speak. I'm mostly leaning towards that theory because it explains why Peter never (at least as far as we know) absorbed Micah or Molly's abilities. &lt;/i&gt;

The writers in Behind the Eclipse said Peter had absorbed all the abilities in Kirby Plaza, which would include Molly and Micah.

As for his present situation, I'd say he's a clean slate, having to start over again and re-absorb the powers. The problem with that is he won't be getting invisibility anytime soon ... at least not from Claude. :( Of course not having invisibility makes it harder for him to be on the run in Volume 4, if he is in fact one of the fugitives.

Further evidence he needs to re-absorb the abilities is that he didn't seem to be healing. Of course, he hasn't had much time to try and remember, so it could go either way.

Either way, I'm sad that he never used Eden's ability.

Another thought, maybe he could get back the abilities he actually used and the ones he was never aware of are gone for good.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Maybe the absorption ability had more time to work its way through the selection, so to speak. I&#8217;m mostly leaning towards that theory because it explains why Peter never (at least as far as we know) absorbed Micah or Molly&#8217;s abilities. </i></p>
<p>The writers in Behind the Eclipse said Peter had absorbed all the abilities in Kirby Plaza, which would include Molly and Micah.</p>
<p>As for his present situation, I&#8217;d say he&#8217;s a clean slate, having to start over again and re-absorb the powers. The problem with that is he won&#8217;t be getting invisibility anytime soon &#8230; at least not from Claude. <img src='http://www.herosite.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> Of course not having invisibility makes it harder for him to be on the run in Volume 4, if he is in fact one of the fugitives.</p>
<p>Further evidence he needs to re-absorb the abilities is that he didn&#8217;t seem to be healing. Of course, he hasn&#8217;t had much time to try and remember, so it could go either way.</p>
<p>Either way, I&#8217;m sad that he never used Eden&#8217;s ability.</p>
<p>Another thought, maybe he could get back the abilities he actually used and the ones he was never aware of are gone for good.</p>
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		<title>By: Otto</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2008/12/19/313-duel/comment-page-1/#comment-741</link>
		<dc:creator>Otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, OK, now I see what you mean, Scott: the "Our Father"-era Hiro could have approached the "Cautionary Tales"-era Hiro at Ishi's funeral and asked &lt;em&gt;him&lt;/em&gt; to bring him forward in time. Very clever! It would've meant there'd be three versions of Hiro at Ishi's funeral if you count Kid-Hiro, which is kinda (morbidly) funny, but that's a terrific theory. I love it.

I wonder if the "CT"-Hiro would have brought the "OF"-Hiro all the way to the &lt;em&gt;present&lt;/em&gt;-present, or stopped at &lt;em&gt;his&lt;/em&gt; present sometime around the end of Volume Two. I guess the "OF"-Hiro could have helped to take down Adam. He could have also warned his slightly younger self that a madman wanted the piece of paper in the safe. :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, OK, now I see what you mean, Scott: the &#8220;Our Father&#8221;-era Hiro could have approached the &#8220;Cautionary Tales&#8221;-era Hiro at Ishi&#8217;s funeral and asked <em>him</em> to bring him forward in time. Very clever! It would&#8217;ve meant there&#8217;d be three versions of Hiro at Ishi&#8217;s funeral if you count Kid-Hiro, which is kinda (morbidly) funny, but that&#8217;s a terrific theory. I love it.</p>
<p>I wonder if the &#8220;CT&#8221;-Hiro would have brought the &#8220;OF&#8221;-Hiro all the way to the <em>present</em>-present, or stopped at <em>his</em> present sometime around the end of Volume Two. I guess the &#8220;OF&#8221;-Hiro could have helped to take down Adam. He could have also warned his slightly younger self that a madman wanted the piece of paper in the safe. <img src='http://www.herosite.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto, that's not what I meant.
In season 2, after Hiro returned from Ancient Japan, he found out his father was killed.  After that, he went back to just before his dad was killed.  He then popped both of them back to the time of his mom's funeral.
All he had to do was wait for their conversation to end (so as not to further disrupt time too much) and ask himself for help before he pops back to the present.
He wouldn't have had long to wait at all since his mom just died.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto, that&#8217;s not what I meant.<br />
In season 2, after Hiro returned from Ancient Japan, he found out his father was killed.  After that, he went back to just before his dad was killed.  He then popped both of them back to the time of his mom&#8217;s funeral.<br />
All he had to do was wait for their conversation to end (so as not to further disrupt time too much) and ask himself for help before he pops back to the present.<br />
He wouldn&#8217;t have had long to wait at all since his mom just died.</p>
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		<title>By: Otto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Thom Stark&lt;/strong&gt;, I agree, Peter getting back all his abilities is very much an option.

If the show wanted to curb Peter's omnipotence, though, this seemed like a smart way to do it. Do you think Peter's recollection of the people he absorbed abilities from would be enough to restore those abilities? Remembering those people activates the abilities, but wouldn't Peter still need to absorb the abilities in order for them to be available? I guess it depends on how extensive Arthur's power-sucking whammy was, but I'd be surprised if his system could "remember" the abilities it absorbed before they were removed. That's just a theory, though.

&lt;strong&gt;Scott&lt;/strong&gt;,

&lt;em&gt;"...Hiro could have still gotten back home. Al he had to do was wait for his mom's funeral, go talk to his slightly younger self, and ask for a ride home."&lt;/em&gt;

Heh, sure, but do you think the younger Hiro's ability would have manifested yet? I'm guessing Hiro wouldn't have been able use his abilities until sometime around the eclipse in 1.01 -- even with the older Hiro "coaching" him -- so Present-Hiro still would have had a long wait ahead of him.

&lt;strong&gt;Korey&lt;/strong&gt;, yeah, Kirby Plaza occurred to me too. The thing that struck me as different was the length of time Peter had to absorb all those abilities. He had, what, about a minute at Kirby Plaza, and less than 10 seconds at Pinehearst? Something like that. Maybe the absorption ability had more time to work its way through the selection, so to speak. I'm mostly leaning towards that theory because it explains why Peter never (at least as far as we know) absorbed Micah or Molly's abilities. His absorption whammy was like, "Superstrength? Check. Phasing? Check. Technopathy and Super-GPS? Ch- ... Oh, crap -- going nuclear!" :)

&lt;strong&gt;ThePandoraRose&lt;/strong&gt;,

&lt;em&gt;"I keep having to remember that with Sylar no longer a Petrelli handing down the gene for a power base may not be true - although it still seems very likely."&lt;/em&gt;

I'd like to think so. Somehow, that makes the family saga more epic.

&lt;em&gt;"I like to think [Angela] did - with her ability - she really did think [Peter] would be a great man."&lt;/em&gt;

Yeah, although I'd be interested to see a moment on the show when Angela qualifies "great man" as "a man who doesn't necessarily have special abilities." Looking at that "you were always my favorite" scene in 1.02 or the "I've always wanted a nurse in the family" scene in 1.10, I'd say Angela adored Peter before he ever manifested abilities. I wonder how much of that comes from her feeling sorry for him or wanting to protect him because he was too absent-minded to protect himself; but perhaps, in a way, it would have been a relief to Angela if Peter had never discovered his abilities. Like you say, it ensured that Peter would never become his father.

I also wonder if the Sylar nightmare really &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; happen, and whether -- between that and Arthur turning into a lunatic -- Angela decided that superpowers were more trouble than they were worth. Maybe she decided Peter could be a "great man" without any abilities, and maybe that's why she never revealed to either son what their family could do.

&lt;em&gt;"Angela also never seems to refer to Future Peter as her son - he is no longer the boy she loves - Future Peter killed him, in a way..."&lt;/em&gt;

Yes, although I'm wondering whether that goes both ways, and whether Future-Peter might have blamed Angela for the way he and everything else turned out. I don't think Future-Peter's contempt towards Angela in 3.01 and 3.02 was purely about the formula; I got the impression that there was a throwdown between them sometime in the next four years, and that Peter basically decided to take a stand and &lt;em&gt;make&lt;/em&gt; things happen instead of watching them happen (the way Angela does). That's probably where his sense of superiority started, and where &lt;em&gt;his&lt;/em&gt; definition of a "great man" began to take shape.

&lt;em&gt;"(There is a lot of evidence to suggest if she saw Future Peter, she saw Future Claire)"&lt;/em&gt;

Very interesting point. I hadn't thought of that. It would explain why Angela's trying so hard to steer Claire's life in 3.14.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Thom Stark</strong>, I agree, Peter getting back all his abilities is very much an option.</p>
<p>If the show wanted to curb Peter&#8217;s omnipotence, though, this seemed like a smart way to do it. Do you think Peter&#8217;s recollection of the people he absorbed abilities from would be enough to restore those abilities? Remembering those people activates the abilities, but wouldn&#8217;t Peter still need to absorb the abilities in order for them to be available? I guess it depends on how extensive Arthur&#8217;s power-sucking whammy was, but I&#8217;d be surprised if his system could &#8220;remember&#8221; the abilities it absorbed before they were removed. That&#8217;s just a theory, though.</p>
<p><strong>Scott</strong>,</p>
<p><em>&#8220;&#8230;Hiro could have still gotten back home. Al he had to do was wait for his mom&#8217;s funeral, go talk to his slightly younger self, and ask for a ride home.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Heh, sure, but do you think the younger Hiro&#8217;s ability would have manifested yet? I&#8217;m guessing Hiro wouldn&#8217;t have been able use his abilities until sometime around the eclipse in 1.01 &#8212; even with the older Hiro &#8220;coaching&#8221; him &#8212; so Present-Hiro still would have had a long wait ahead of him.</p>
<p><strong>Korey</strong>, yeah, Kirby Plaza occurred to me too. The thing that struck me as different was the length of time Peter had to absorb all those abilities. He had, what, about a minute at Kirby Plaza, and less than 10 seconds at Pinehearst? Something like that. Maybe the absorption ability had more time to work its way through the selection, so to speak. I&#8217;m mostly leaning towards that theory because it explains why Peter never (at least as far as we know) absorbed Micah or Molly&#8217;s abilities. His absorption whammy was like, &#8220;Superstrength? Check. Phasing? Check. Technopathy and Super-GPS? Ch- &#8230; Oh, crap &#8212; going nuclear!&#8221; <img src='http://www.herosite.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<strong>ThePandoraRose</strong>,</p>
<p><em>&#8220;I keep having to remember that with Sylar no longer a Petrelli handing down the gene for a power base may not be true - although it still seems very likely.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to think so. Somehow, that makes the family saga more epic.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;I like to think [Angela] did - with her ability - she really did think [Peter] would be a great man.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Yeah, although I&#8217;d be interested to see a moment on the show when Angela qualifies &#8220;great man&#8221; as &#8220;a man who doesn&#8217;t necessarily have special abilities.&#8221; Looking at that &#8220;you were always my favorite&#8221; scene in 1.02 or the &#8220;I&#8217;ve always wanted a nurse in the family&#8221; scene in 1.10, I&#8217;d say Angela adored Peter before he ever manifested abilities. I wonder how much of that comes from her feeling sorry for him or wanting to protect him because he was too absent-minded to protect himself; but perhaps, in a way, it would have been a relief to Angela if Peter had never discovered his abilities. Like you say, it ensured that Peter would never become his father.</p>
<p>I also wonder if the Sylar nightmare really <em>did</em> happen, and whether &#8212; between that and Arthur turning into a lunatic &#8212; Angela decided that superpowers were more trouble than they were worth. Maybe she decided Peter could be a &#8220;great man&#8221; without any abilities, and maybe that&#8217;s why she never revealed to either son what their family could do.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Angela also never seems to refer to Future Peter as her son - he is no longer the boy she loves - Future Peter killed him, in a way&#8230;&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Yes, although I&#8217;m wondering whether that goes both ways, and whether Future-Peter might have blamed Angela for the way he and everything else turned out. I don&#8217;t think Future-Peter&#8217;s contempt towards Angela in 3.01 and 3.02 was purely about the formula; I got the impression that there was a throwdown between them sometime in the next four years, and that Peter basically decided to take a stand and <em>make</em> things happen instead of watching them happen (the way Angela does). That&#8217;s probably where his sense of superiority started, and where <em>his</em> definition of a &#8220;great man&#8221; began to take shape.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;(There is a lot of evidence to suggest if she saw Future Peter, she saw Future Claire)&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Very interesting point. I hadn&#8217;t thought of that. It would explain why Angela&#8217;s trying so hard to steer Claire&#8217;s life in 3.14.</p>
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