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		<title>By: Hillsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hillsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read your last 4 episode reviews - well structured, intelligent, thorough, thought provoking and funny! Great stuff and thanks for all your efforts on this.

Agree with many of your points and looking forward to posting some more detailed responses &#038; comments later.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read your last 4 episode reviews - well structured, intelligent, thorough, thought provoking and funny! Great stuff and thanks for all your efforts on this.</p>
<p>Agree with many of your points and looking forward to posting some more detailed responses &#038; comments later.</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALEJANDROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian- That makes a great deal of sense. Linderman was obviously a bad apple, but he was probably only keen on killing when necessary, while Arthur was willing to kill merciliessly to achieve his own ends. Arthur is your classic villain... he pretends to be the legal, just, and unassuming figure in the justice system, while the company figure head, Linderman, is notoriously known for his criminal underworld activities. In a sense, Arthur played us all into thinking ol'Lindy was top dog, when it was the kindly Petrelli patriarch in actuality.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian- That makes a great deal of sense. Linderman was obviously a bad apple, but he was probably only keen on killing when necessary, while Arthur was willing to kill merciliessly to achieve his own ends. Arthur is your classic villain&#8230; he pretends to be the legal, just, and unassuming figure in the justice system, while the company figure head, Linderman, is notoriously known for his criminal underworld activities. In a sense, Arthur played us all into thinking ol&#8217;Lindy was top dog, when it was the kindly Petrelli patriarch in actuality.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be right Otto. After all, with Heroes' intense schedule, Hayden really might not have had enough time to get things together (and Kristen Bell's schedule mucked up the shooting process to boot). Since she usually turns out good performances, it's easy to forgive.

Yeah, I only recently noticed that parallel. It makes me appreciate Maya's storyline a bit more, since it wasn't quite just a dying-and-crying routine...but not by much.

True, very true. Heroes, no matter what, always gives at least one truly brilliant moment per episode. And the show also has a habit of giving great episodes in the second half. I suppose it's just a matter of waiting now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be right Otto. After all, with Heroes&#8217; intense schedule, Hayden really might not have had enough time to get things together (and Kristen Bell&#8217;s schedule mucked up the shooting process to boot). Since she usually turns out good performances, it&#8217;s easy to forgive.</p>
<p>Yeah, I only recently noticed that parallel. It makes me appreciate Maya&#8217;s storyline a bit more, since it wasn&#8217;t quite just a dying-and-crying routine&#8230;but not by much.</p>
<p>True, very true. Heroes, no matter what, always gives at least one truly brilliant moment per episode. And the show also has a habit of giving great episodes in the second half. I suppose it&#8217;s just a matter of waiting now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - I wouldn't be surprised if that was true. At the end of the GN we see that Linderman has become more confident (likely after he's met Adam) and wants Arthur on his team... but it does seem that Arthur wanted to do things Linderman wasn't so comfortable with, and the former pushed the latter into a backseat role.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John - I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if that was true. At the end of the GN we see that Linderman has become more confident (likely after he&#8217;s met Adam) and wants Arthur on his team&#8230; but it does seem that Arthur wanted to do things Linderman wasn&#8217;t so comfortable with, and the former pushed the latter into a backseat role.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great review...

But I am still wondering if Maury's out-of-character was as a result of that whole scene being a simulation created by Maury. By Arthur snapping Maury's neck in front of Daphne, she became so shocked, scared, confused, and terrified that she would've killed her mother if Arthur asked her to afterwards. So maybe that whole scene was a ruse to show off what Arthur would do to his own right hand man if there was a descension in the ranks, let alone a small time recruiter like her...

Also, with Adrian's underplaying or cryptic response... I think he has always been suspicious of Arthur possibly being involved in the car crash that paralyzed Heidi. We ALL assumed it was Linderman's doing, but when Linderman healed Heidi it felt as if he was making penance for something he should have stopped. I think Arthur did it to his own son, and Nathan has always been so ashamed of himself for even thinking it could be true. After all, for those who read the novels, Linderman was always wary of Arthur, and in many ways afraid of him as well after his frightening actions during Vietnam. That's just MY theory.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review&#8230;</p>
<p>But I am still wondering if Maury&#8217;s out-of-character was as a result of that whole scene being a simulation created by Maury. By Arthur snapping Maury&#8217;s neck in front of Daphne, she became so shocked, scared, confused, and terrified that she would&#8217;ve killed her mother if Arthur asked her to afterwards. So maybe that whole scene was a ruse to show off what Arthur would do to his own right hand man if there was a descension in the ranks, let alone a small time recruiter like her&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, with Adrian&#8217;s underplaying or cryptic response&#8230; I think he has always been suspicious of Arthur possibly being involved in the car crash that paralyzed Heidi. We ALL assumed it was Linderman&#8217;s doing, but when Linderman healed Heidi it felt as if he was making penance for something he should have stopped. I think Arthur did it to his own son, and Nathan has always been so ashamed of himself for even thinking it could be true. After all, for those who read the novels, Linderman was always wary of Arthur, and in many ways afraid of him as well after his frightening actions during Vietnam. That&#8217;s just MY theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it will be. If my hunch is right, and 'Fugitives' is us seeing some Heroes on the run from humanity... that's pretty dark. Seeing our prejudices first-hand is going to be interesting, especially for people like Nathan and Tracy whose entire lives revolve around being exceptional in terms of their qualifications and personalities. They're like us, but at a higher level... yet if you have public knowledge of their abilities, and people find about a Sylar or a Knox or a Flint (it was telling that the news rationalised Flint's Pyrokinesis as a flame thrower), well it's going to go into X-Men territory.

As for the mission statement, it is more complex and less straightforward.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it will be. If my hunch is right, and &#8216;Fugitives&#8217; is us seeing some Heroes on the run from humanity&#8230; that&#8217;s pretty dark. Seeing our prejudices first-hand is going to be interesting, especially for people like Nathan and Tracy whose entire lives revolve around being exceptional in terms of their qualifications and personalities. They&#8217;re like us, but at a higher level&#8230; yet if you have public knowledge of their abilities, and people find about a Sylar or a Knox or a Flint (it was telling that the news rationalised Flint&#8217;s Pyrokinesis as a flame thrower), well it&#8217;s going to go into X-Men territory.</p>
<p>As for the mission statement, it is more complex and less straightforward.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wonder if the eclipse awakens the abilities in "natural" supers, whereas the synthetic supers can develop and appear at any time.  and if that's the case, are the "naturals" at the mercy of nature in terms of the duration of their abilities, and are the "synthetics" permanently changed (unless someone like Arthur sucked it out of them).  a good reason to have a formula to give abilities to anyone.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wonder if the eclipse awakens the abilities in &#8220;natural&#8221; supers, whereas the synthetic supers can develop and appear at any time.  and if that&#8217;s the case, are the &#8220;naturals&#8221; at the mercy of nature in terms of the duration of their abilities, and are the &#8220;synthetics&#8221; permanently changed (unless someone like Arthur sucked it out of them).  a good reason to have a formula to give abilities to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Otto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Pete&lt;/strong&gt;, I definitely agree about the show overturning its archetype-based format. That struck me as a smart move because it's the only way the characters were going to evolve. I'm surprised how much I'm enjoying the Peter, Sylar and Angela arcs, and I think that's mostly because challenging their archetypes has worked in the characters' favor.

I dunno about Arthur; I'm digging his scenes because of the way the villainy and menace are veiled with civility. It's interesting that we saw this side of the character &lt;em&gt;before&lt;/em&gt; we see the side of him a year earlier; in a way, the complication -- whatever events took place over the past year that led up to Arthur's current storyline -- is our first impression and the basis for comparison. We don't know what kind of archetype Arthur represents, if he even represents one at all.

&lt;strong&gt;Ian&lt;/strong&gt;, intriguing point about the show's new mission statement. I wonder how far mission statement is synonymous with the show's slogan: was the show's mission statement in Season One to depict ordinary people with extraordinary abilities? If so, what would this season's mission statement be? "You can't choose your family, but you can choose a side"? It's an interesting point because the first season's slogan was so clearcut and straightforward, whereas the irony about this season's slogan is that it's impossible to choose a side when the sides aren't clearly defined. That's the idea, of course, but I wonder if that murkiness in the mission statement (/slogan) makes it less immediately identifiable, and whether that in turn takes away some of the straightforward appeal of the show.

I'm curious about your take on "Fugitives" being darker -- do you think it'll be darker than "Villains"? Definitely a possibility.

And on Ashley Crow -- yes, she's indisputably awesome. &lt;em&gt;There's&lt;/em&gt; a character who bucked the archetype. I can think of no better example on the show, not even HRG.

&lt;strong&gt;ThePandoraRose&lt;/strong&gt; -- I love the point you raise about lineage and the manifestation of a synthetic ability. I wonder if this opens up potential to explore some of the minor characters' backstories: we don't know whether Molly's parents were synthetically empowered, or whether even Molly was. If that's the case, it ties in with Linderman arranging Micah's birth, and how far ahead The Company planned to retrieve Molly from her home, assuming they planned to bring her back to a facility even before her parents were killed. Molly and Micah manifested much earlier, so I wonder what was different in their cases. That'd be a great reason to bring back Micah and Molly and look at how they fit into this story.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Pete</strong>, I definitely agree about the show overturning its archetype-based format. That struck me as a smart move because it&#8217;s the only way the characters were going to evolve. I&#8217;m surprised how much I&#8217;m enjoying the Peter, Sylar and Angela arcs, and I think that&#8217;s mostly because challenging their archetypes has worked in the characters&#8217; favor.</p>
<p>I dunno about Arthur; I&#8217;m digging his scenes because of the way the villainy and menace are veiled with civility. It&#8217;s interesting that we saw this side of the character <em>before</em> we see the side of him a year earlier; in a way, the complication &#8212; whatever events took place over the past year that led up to Arthur&#8217;s current storyline &#8212; is our first impression and the basis for comparison. We don&#8217;t know what kind of archetype Arthur represents, if he even represents one at all.</p>
<p><strong>Ian</strong>, intriguing point about the show&#8217;s new mission statement. I wonder how far mission statement is synonymous with the show&#8217;s slogan: was the show&#8217;s mission statement in Season One to depict ordinary people with extraordinary abilities? If so, what would this season&#8217;s mission statement be? &#8220;You can&#8217;t choose your family, but you can choose a side&#8221;? It&#8217;s an interesting point because the first season&#8217;s slogan was so clearcut and straightforward, whereas the irony about this season&#8217;s slogan is that it&#8217;s impossible to choose a side when the sides aren&#8217;t clearly defined. That&#8217;s the idea, of course, but I wonder if that murkiness in the mission statement (/slogan) makes it less immediately identifiable, and whether that in turn takes away some of the straightforward appeal of the show.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious about your take on &#8220;Fugitives&#8221; being darker &#8212; do you think it&#8217;ll be darker than &#8220;Villains&#8221;? Definitely a possibility.</p>
<p>And on Ashley Crow &#8212; yes, she&#8217;s indisputably awesome. <em>There&#8217;s</em> a character who bucked the archetype. I can think of no better example on the show, not even HRG.</p>
<p><strong>ThePandoraRose</strong> &#8212; I love the point you raise about lineage and the manifestation of a synthetic ability. I wonder if this opens up potential to explore some of the minor characters&#8217; backstories: we don&#8217;t know whether Molly&#8217;s parents were synthetically empowered, or whether even Molly was. If that&#8217;s the case, it ties in with Linderman arranging Micah&#8217;s birth, and how far ahead The Company planned to retrieve Molly from her home, assuming they planned to bring her back to a facility even before her parents were killed. Molly and Micah manifested much earlier, so I wonder what was different in their cases. That&#8217;d be a great reason to bring back Micah and Molly and look at how they fit into this story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice review,
I agree with you about Claire looks when she saw Tracy, there must be something behind it.
The phone call between Daphne and Arthur made me like WHAT? It definitely destroy what i think about Daphne.
Thank God Maya is gone.
Yeah, i am agree about next 6 eps. It will reveal more cause the last 7 created so many unanswered questions.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice review,<br />
I agree with you about Claire looks when she saw Tracy, there must be something behind it.<br />
The phone call between Daphne and Arthur made me like WHAT? It definitely destroy what i think about Daphne.<br />
Thank God Maya is gone.<br />
Yeah, i am agree about next 6 eps. It will reveal more cause the last 7 created so many unanswered questions.</p>
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