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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 21:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"All of that said, this brings up a nifty twist to Future-Peter telling Claire to stay in Costa Verde instead of coming to Odessa to transfuse Nathan; presumably if she’d packed her bags and left the house sooner she would’ve been long gone by the time Sylar got there, Sylar wouldn’t have gotten her ability, the Company agents would have tasered and captured him without any problems, and history would have unfolded the way it originally did. So Future-Peter screwed up history just by telling Claire to stay at home."

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All of that said, this brings up a nifty twist to Future-Peter telling Claire to stay in Costa Verde instead of coming to Odessa to transfuse Nathan; presumably if she’d packed her bags and left the house sooner she would’ve been long gone by the time Sylar got there, Sylar wouldn’t have gotten her ability, the Company agents would have tasered and captured him without any problems, and history would have unfolded the way it originally did. So Future-Peter screwed up history just by telling Claire to stay at home.&#8221;</p>
<p>But, wouldn&#8217;t she have stayed home anyway if Peter had not interfered given that Nathan was not originally shot in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: Louie</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2008/09/26/302-the-butterfly-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-353</link>
		<dc:creator>Louie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Peter and Claire story lines are the ones most guilty of this, Ian.  I never was a big Peter fan, but now I can't stand his story arcs.  Mr. Permanent Glower, that one.  And Claire's constant woe-is-me attitude was interesting at first.  Two seasons on?  Not so much.  And given the heavy reliance of the show on these two characters (and to a lesser extent on Ali Larter's characters, who're similarly serious), the tone of the show leans, I think, towards the angsty side of the force.

You're not wrong about Hiro.  Actually, I think that he illustrates the problem well by relief.  Instead of striking a balanced tone, as the show managed to (again) do during the best parts of the first season, we've got one of the characters devoted, full-time, to comic relief.  Not good comic relief, either.  I wish they'd let Hiro start to grow as a character, because his initial whimsy was at least well written.  Remember the Hiro-Nathan "birran" exchange?  Good times.

Not only is Hiro poorly written now, but his scenes are annoying distractions, as they interrupt the flow of their episodes; invariably they cut from a scene of "great significance," involving Sylar, say, to the "dumpty-dumpty-dump" music of Hiro and Ando, and the episode's tone shifts so quickly, the engine practically falls out.  Every frickin' time Hiro appears!  Ugh!

I hate to come off so negative on the show right now, but even through the second season, there was usually at least one plot line or two, or at least an aspect of one, that I could find interest in.  Right now, not a single character arc has hooked me for the third season.  The show has opted to go from an ensemble piece to one revolving around four characters, with the rest relegated to supporting roles, and none of the four are particularly compelling.

But all of the choices the show's made, from the tone, to the sole use of Hiro as funny-man, to narrowing the focus to Hiro, Sylar, Peter, and Claire, could all work if only the writing was better.  Heroes was never Shakespeare, but it was better than what it is now, certainly, or we wouldn't all be fans of the show.

Nothing's unsalvageable yet, but after seeing the third episode, I'm starting to wonder about the show.  If they turn things around, start writing plots for the characters instead of characters for the plot, things could be fantastic this year.  If they don't, there's the potential that this season could out-suck last year.

Well, except for the Alejandro and Maya story.  Nothing could top that.  (Knock wood)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Peter and Claire story lines are the ones most guilty of this, Ian.  I never was a big Peter fan, but now I can&#8217;t stand his story arcs.  Mr. Permanent Glower, that one.  And Claire&#8217;s constant woe-is-me attitude was interesting at first.  Two seasons on?  Not so much.  And given the heavy reliance of the show on these two characters (and to a lesser extent on Ali Larter&#8217;s characters, who&#8217;re similarly serious), the tone of the show leans, I think, towards the angsty side of the force.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not wrong about Hiro.  Actually, I think that he illustrates the problem well by relief.  Instead of striking a balanced tone, as the show managed to (again) do during the best parts of the first season, we&#8217;ve got one of the characters devoted, full-time, to comic relief.  Not good comic relief, either.  I wish they&#8217;d let Hiro start to grow as a character, because his initial whimsy was at least well written.  Remember the Hiro-Nathan &#8220;birran&#8221; exchange?  Good times.</p>
<p>Not only is Hiro poorly written now, but his scenes are annoying distractions, as they interrupt the flow of their episodes; invariably they cut from a scene of &#8220;great significance,&#8221; involving Sylar, say, to the &#8220;dumpty-dumpty-dump&#8221; music of Hiro and Ando, and the episode&#8217;s tone shifts so quickly, the engine practically falls out.  Every frickin&#8217; time Hiro appears!  Ugh!</p>
<p>I hate to come off so negative on the show right now, but even through the second season, there was usually at least one plot line or two, or at least an aspect of one, that I could find interest in.  Right now, not a single character arc has hooked me for the third season.  The show has opted to go from an ensemble piece to one revolving around four characters, with the rest relegated to supporting roles, and none of the four are particularly compelling.</p>
<p>But all of the choices the show&#8217;s made, from the tone, to the sole use of Hiro as funny-man, to narrowing the focus to Hiro, Sylar, Peter, and Claire, could all work if only the writing was better.  Heroes was never Shakespeare, but it was better than what it is now, certainly, or we wouldn&#8217;t all be fans of the show.</p>
<p>Nothing&#8217;s unsalvageable yet, but after seeing the third episode, I&#8217;m starting to wonder about the show.  If they turn things around, start writing plots for the characters instead of characters for the plot, things could be fantastic this year.  If they don&#8217;t, there&#8217;s the potential that this season could out-suck last year.</p>
<p>Well, except for the Alejandro and Maya story.  Nothing could top that.  (Knock wood)</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure where the 'too serious for it's own good' comments are coming from, when we've had Matt yell out 'Thank you, turtle', and have Hiro, Ando and Daphne strive to avoid any dramatic tension by going the comedic route.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure where the &#8216;too serious for it&#8217;s own good&#8217; comments are coming from, when we&#8217;ve had Matt yell out &#8216;Thank you, turtle&#8217;, and have Hiro, Ando and Daphne strive to avoid any dramatic tension by going the comedic route.</p>
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		<title>By: Raissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I too think that Heroes is moving in a downward direction... or perhaps, just that it's dropped of significantly from its mid-season one quality (which I maintain was fairly good), and now is in a plateau of mediocrity. I'd be willing to credit Fuller's departure to an extent; it's plausible. But I certainly wouldn't give up "Pushing Daisies."&lt;/i&gt;

Louie summed it up perfectly. At this point, I'm just going to watch, enjoy what I can, and insert missing subtext in fanfic.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I too think that Heroes is moving in a downward direction&#8230; or perhaps, just that it&#8217;s dropped of significantly from its mid-season one quality (which I maintain was fairly good), and now is in a plateau of mediocrity. I&#8217;d be willing to credit Fuller&#8217;s departure to an extent; it&#8217;s plausible. But I certainly wouldn&#8217;t give up &#8220;Pushing Daisies.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Louie summed it up perfectly. At this point, I&#8217;m just going to watch, enjoy what I can, and insert missing subtext in fanfic.</p>
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		<title>By: Louie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Monica
("Louid" was a typo earlier)
I don't think that she's going to be back any time soon, though I'm willing to be surprised.  I think that Monica falls under the heading of "it was in season two, therefore it must not exist."

I too think that Heroes is moving in a downward direction... or perhaps, just that it's dropped of significantly from its mid-season one quality (which I maintain was fairly good), and now is in a plateau of mediocrity.  I'd be willing to credit Fuller's departure to an extent; it's plausible.  But I certainly wouldn't give up "Pushing Daisies."

I'm not giving up on the season just yet.  I haven't seen the third episode, and the second one wasn't a bad watch, really.  But I'm concerned that "Heroes" is trying to do two things:

A) Be too serious for its own good, trying to be a profound drama, rather than just having fun with its premise (cf. Hiro at the start; Monica), and

B) Be willing to jettison continuity for expedience's sake (Caitlin's disappearance springs to mind).

You'd think that one show wouldn't make both of these troubling choices, yet there it is.

Also, Sylar mentioned that "10% of our brains" crap again in the season premier... another homage to Season One Heroes, perhaps?  Whatever.  It was stupid, uninformed writing in 2006, it's stupid, uninformed writing now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Monica<br />
(&#8221;Louid&#8221; was a typo earlier)<br />
I don&#8217;t think that she&#8217;s going to be back any time soon, though I&#8217;m willing to be surprised.  I think that Monica falls under the heading of &#8220;it was in season two, therefore it must not exist.&#8221;</p>
<p>I too think that Heroes is moving in a downward direction&#8230; or perhaps, just that it&#8217;s dropped of significantly from its mid-season one quality (which I maintain was fairly good), and now is in a plateau of mediocrity.  I&#8217;d be willing to credit Fuller&#8217;s departure to an extent; it&#8217;s plausible.  But I certainly wouldn&#8217;t give up &#8220;Pushing Daisies.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not giving up on the season just yet.  I haven&#8217;t seen the third episode, and the second one wasn&#8217;t a bad watch, really.  But I&#8217;m concerned that &#8220;Heroes&#8221; is trying to do two things:</p>
<p>A) Be too serious for its own good, trying to be a profound drama, rather than just having fun with its premise (cf. Hiro at the start; Monica), and</p>
<p>B) Be willing to jettison continuity for expedience&#8217;s sake (Caitlin&#8217;s disappearance springs to mind).</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think that one show wouldn&#8217;t make both of these troubling choices, yet there it is.</p>
<p>Also, Sylar mentioned that &#8220;10% of our brains&#8221; crap again in the season premier&#8230; another homage to Season One Heroes, perhaps?  Whatever.  It was stupid, uninformed writing in 2006, it&#8217;s stupid, uninformed writing now.</p>
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		<title>By: KellyH</title>
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		<dc:creator>KellyH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto, if you get a nameless comment asking for approval, it's mine.  Sorry.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto, if you get a nameless comment asking for approval, it&#8217;s mine.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what bugs me the most about the continuity gaffes and loose ends (and the Angela phone call and the fate of Caitlin are pretty freakin' big loose ends, I don't care how much they are wanting to expunge S2) is how little TPTB seem to care about them.  Coleite and Pohaski give those big CBR interviews all the time, and every time somebody points out a continuity error to them, they hand wave it.

As good as "Pushing Daisies" is, I think that Heroes lost its best asset in Brian Fuller and that his absence has dragged down the show more than the PTB realize.  I don't know if I would sacrifice the Pie Maker, Dead Girl, Olive Snook, and Emerson Cod for better "Heroes," but based on Fuller's work over there, I just have to conclude that his departure from "Heroes" had a definite negative effect.  Lest we forget, Fuller wrote "Company Man."
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what bugs me the most about the continuity gaffes and loose ends (and the Angela phone call and the fate of Caitlin are pretty freakin&#8217; big loose ends, I don&#8217;t care how much they are wanting to expunge S2) is how little TPTB seem to care about them.  Coleite and Pohaski give those big CBR interviews all the time, and every time somebody points out a continuity error to them, they hand wave it.</p>
<p>As good as &#8220;Pushing Daisies&#8221; is, I think that Heroes lost its best asset in Brian Fuller and that his absence has dragged down the show more than the PTB realize.  I don&#8217;t know if I would sacrifice the Pie Maker, Dead Girl, Olive Snook, and Emerson Cod for better &#8220;Heroes,&#8221; but based on Fuller&#8217;s work over there, I just have to conclude that his departure from &#8220;Heroes&#8221; had a definite negative effect.  Lest we forget, Fuller wrote &#8220;Company Man.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ThePandoraRose</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThePandoraRose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto:

Ahh, okay I get ya. Of course I saw it, and I know many people who also felt the same as, I know it had to be done, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Like in the mob - when a snitch is killed you know there was no way around it, but if its a family member your not happy.

Of course now it's all different.

And if Angela saw that Peter would come and shoot his brother... and who knows how long she's been trying to stop that - she was NOT happy with Nathan's shooting.

In fact, she would see it as a catalyst that caused major havoc onto the world - and her bad dreams.

In fact, from her point of view I'd guess it is what forced her hand for her next actions.

Now, if they never tells us who she was talking to on that phone I will be very upset.

Nice chatting with you. I look forward to your review of 3.3.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto:</p>
<p>Ahh, okay I get ya. Of course I saw it, and I know many people who also felt the same as, I know it had to be done, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I have to like it. Like in the mob - when a snitch is killed you know there was no way around it, but if its a family member your not happy.</p>
<p>Of course now it&#8217;s all different.</p>
<p>And if Angela saw that Peter would come and shoot his brother&#8230; and who knows how long she&#8217;s been trying to stop that - she was NOT happy with Nathan&#8217;s shooting.</p>
<p>In fact, she would see it as a catalyst that caused major havoc onto the world - and her bad dreams.</p>
<p>In fact, from her point of view I&#8217;d guess it is what forced her hand for her next actions.</p>
<p>Now, if they never tells us who she was talking to on that phone I will be very upset.</p>
<p>Nice chatting with you. I look forward to your review of 3.3.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would tie in with the continued evolution of Parkman. He goes from Telepathy to Suggesting, to Mind Control... to being able to extract information from any creature.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would tie in with the continued evolution of Parkman. He goes from Telepathy to Suggesting, to Mind Control&#8230; to being able to extract information from any creature.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto,

Great reading both of the reviews.  Glad that you are back in full force and completely agree with your Caitlin loophole in her non-existant alternative future.

One thing that bothered me was that when Noah noticed Sylar's healing and he said that he got in from Claire, Noah was angry/horrified that Sylar killed Claire (which was his whole point of protecting her in Season 1 - Save the Cheerleader, Save the World).

Dont you think that, before checking the files in the living room, Noah would run home to Claire's room to see if she is alive or ok?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto,</p>
<p>Great reading both of the reviews.  Glad that you are back in full force and completely agree with your Caitlin loophole in her non-existant alternative future.</p>
<p>One thing that bothered me was that when Noah noticed Sylar&#8217;s healing and he said that he got in from Claire, Noah was angry/horrified that Sylar killed Claire (which was his whole point of protecting her in Season 1 - Save the Cheerleader, Save the World).</p>
<p>Dont you think that, before checking the files in the living room, Noah would run home to Claire&#8217;s room to see if she is alive or ok?</p>
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