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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think Peter ever actually 'exploded'.  the nature of this was mentioned before.  What actually happened it seemed that Peter just emitted this whole burst of nuclear energy, rather than actually blowing up.  Someone else on a hero facebook group said long before this revelation that was how the power worked as seen when Ted destroyed the bennet home and was unaffected by his power.  IT's more logical to assume that Peter just experienced this burst of power rather than somehow regenerating from vapourised cells, keeping his clothes and finding Nathan all in a matter of minutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Peter ever actually &#8216;exploded&#8217;.  the nature of this was mentioned before.  What actually happened it seemed that Peter just emitted this whole burst of nuclear energy, rather than actually blowing up.  Someone else on a hero facebook group said long before this revelation that was how the power worked as seen when Ted destroyed the bennet home and was unaffected by his power.  IT&#8217;s more logical to assume that Peter just experienced this burst of power rather than somehow regenerating from vapourised cells, keeping his clothes and finding Nathan all in a matter of minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto -

Great review. I agree with Raissa that Season 2 has been frustrating.  On a separate note the Alejandro/Maya storyline has been awful for 8 episodes and should just be written out.  I just don't see the fit to the rest of the story.  No matter what happens I just can't seem to get into it.

It will definitely be interesting to see Hiro go back into the past and track down Adam/Kensei and connecting the dots.

AND I see that you raised the question that I commented last week regarding the immortality-regeneration connection and if it applies to Claire and Peter as well.

Speaking of Claire, she is very annoying. Her new superpower is her amazing brat-like prowess.  Has she completely disregarded her relationship with her father?  Her character development has taking a step back this season even after finding out about her father.

I'd like to hear your thoughts.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto -</p>
<p>Great review. I agree with Raissa that Season 2 has been frustrating.  On a separate note the Alejandro/Maya storyline has been awful for 8 episodes and should just be written out.  I just don&#8217;t see the fit to the rest of the story.  No matter what happens I just can&#8217;t seem to get into it.</p>
<p>It will definitely be interesting to see Hiro go back into the past and track down Adam/Kensei and connecting the dots.</p>
<p>AND I see that you raised the question that I commented last week regarding the immortality-regeneration connection and if it applies to Claire and Peter as well.</p>
<p>Speaking of Claire, she is very annoying. Her new superpower is her amazing brat-like prowess.  Has she completely disregarded her relationship with her father?  Her character development has taking a step back this season even after finding out about her father.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hear your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Raissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; Do you think it's such a huge departure from last season? There are storylines which aren't working, but there were storylines a year ago which weren't working either, and most of them turned out all right in the end.&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe that's it. There were problems with S1, but I let them slide for the most part, because all S1s have issues and most of the other stuff worked. But, now we're in S2 with its own problems (see previous posts), and they still haven't dealt with S1s issues, so everything's compounding. Truth be told, the bad romance complaint could be applied to Peter/Simone/Isaac, as well as Claire/West and Hiro/Yaeko/Adam. Hiro/Charlie was the only one they got right, and we may very well have to consider it a lucky fluke, unfortunately cheapened by Hiro's S2 storyline. Niki, DL, and Micah had the weakest storyline in S1, and that's still true in S2. The Elder Supers were developed through hints and innuendos in S1 and that's still true in S2. Oh, the virus will be the central point, but we'll still be in the dark about almost everything else around that. On top of that, they're still doing the shouty/sulky expositional dialogue in S2. It's like no one's ever happy when they review things on this show.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Do you think it&#8217;s such a huge departure from last season? There are storylines which aren&#8217;t working, but there were storylines a year ago which weren&#8217;t working either, and most of them turned out all right in the end.</i></p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s it. There were problems with S1, but I let them slide for the most part, because all S1s have issues and most of the other stuff worked. But, now we&#8217;re in S2 with its own problems (see previous posts), and they still haven&#8217;t dealt with S1s issues, so everything&#8217;s compounding. Truth be told, the bad romance complaint could be applied to Peter/Simone/Isaac, as well as Claire/West and Hiro/Yaeko/Adam. Hiro/Charlie was the only one they got right, and we may very well have to consider it a lucky fluke, unfortunately cheapened by Hiro&#8217;s S2 storyline. Niki, DL, and Micah had the weakest storyline in S1, and that&#8217;s still true in S2. The Elder Supers were developed through hints and innuendos in S1 and that&#8217;s still true in S2. Oh, the virus will be the central point, but we&#8217;ll still be in the dark about almost everything else around that. On top of that, they&#8217;re still doing the shouty/sulky expositional dialogue in S2. It&#8217;s like no one&#8217;s ever happy when they review things on this show.</p>
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		<title>By: Raissa</title>
		<link>http://www.herosite.net/blog/2007/11/15/208-four-months-ago/comment-page-1/#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>Raissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto,

It's not that S2 sucks outright or is consistently mediocre. I could actually live with that. It's the fact that shafts of brilliance shine through amid elements that kind of work, but not quite. It's frigging frustrating. As for narrative falling through the cracks, there are a couple of issues: New characters weren't written properly (West, Yaeko). The twins should have been one Origins ep. and out. Returning characters (Sylar, Niki) should've been written out, as they're stories are done, imo. Removing them would've given the newbies room to become who they were, while retaining the stronger original characters.

Also, I do blame Kring &#038; Co. for the narrative falling through the cracks in relation to the strike. They &lt;i&gt;knew&lt;/i&gt; it was coming; the writing was proverbially, if not literally, on the wall. They shouldn't have had to ram through scripts that needed at least half a rewrite. They should have assumed that 11 eps. would be it and spent a little extra time polishing those fewer scripts. Also, if the strike was going to affect the amount of time given the newbie characters, Kring &#038; Co should've put together a storyline that didn't rely so heavily on newbies until S3, after the strike.

As for the visuals contributing to the narrative, I see your point. However, I would argue that artistically filmed bat dung amid diamonds is still bat dung.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that S2 sucks outright or is consistently mediocre. I could actually live with that. It&#8217;s the fact that shafts of brilliance shine through amid elements that kind of work, but not quite. It&#8217;s frigging frustrating. As for narrative falling through the cracks, there are a couple of issues: New characters weren&#8217;t written properly (West, Yaeko). The twins should have been one Origins ep. and out. Returning characters (Sylar, Niki) should&#8217;ve been written out, as they&#8217;re stories are done, imo. Removing them would&#8217;ve given the newbies room to become who they were, while retaining the stronger original characters.</p>
<p>Also, I do blame Kring &#038; Co. for the narrative falling through the cracks in relation to the strike. They <i>knew</i> it was coming; the writing was proverbially, if not literally, on the wall. They shouldn&#8217;t have had to ram through scripts that needed at least half a rewrite. They should have assumed that 11 eps. would be it and spent a little extra time polishing those fewer scripts. Also, if the strike was going to affect the amount of time given the newbie characters, Kring &#038; Co should&#8217;ve put together a storyline that didn&#8217;t rely so heavily on newbies until S3, after the strike.</p>
<p>As for the visuals contributing to the narrative, I see your point. However, I would argue that artistically filmed bat dung amid diamonds is still bat dung.</p>
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		<title>By: Otto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Raissa&lt;/strong&gt;, I'm really sorry so much of the volume's not working for you. Do you think it's such a huge departure from last season? There are storylines which aren't working, but there were storylines a year ago which weren't working either, and most of them turned out all right in the end. Maybe it's a weak comparison if this season's cut short, but we've already seen Peter's arc improve, and Hiro's looks like it'll get better; the only one that's bugging me is the Maya/Alejandro story, which isn't such a big deal.

I have to disagree with you about TPTBs focusing on the visual aspect of the show before the narrative; the visual aspect of the show is informed &lt;em&gt;by&lt;/em&gt; the narrative. Everything you mention -- lighting, angles, frames -- stems from the story. This volume is visually darker because the stories and the characters are darker.

On a logistical level, the stories and scripts are written months ahead of production. You know this! So I'm not sure why you'd think "stuff falls through on the overall narrative or dialogue level and the writers aren't as focused for whatever reasons." A couple of lines are changed on the set, but most of the narrative is planned very far in advance. The story has always taken priority over everything else -- even the characters. That's where the whole "The Story Is King" mantra came from.

&lt;strong&gt;tree1138&lt;/strong&gt;: I hear you, someone's story was going to suffer no matter how the volume was structured. If it had been chronological, we probably would have had five episodes of Matt recovering in a hospital and arguing with Janice, and almost everyone would have hated it.

&lt;strong&gt;KellyH&lt;/strong&gt;: word. I would've liked to see the Matt/Janice/baby story resolved too. How Noah approached Mohinder and recruited him would also have been cool. Do you think they'll ever show these backstories?

With Shanti, check out &lt;strong&gt;Michael&lt;/strong&gt;'s post: Shanti died in 1974, according to Thompson in "The Hard Part."

I think Kring &#038; Co. definitely remembered Paulette when they wrote D.L.'s funeral. It could be that the actress wasn't available, like you say; but besides the "Ooh, good continuity!" kick, would it really have mattered to the story? I mean, the focus in the scene was the family's grief, and Niki's fear and guilt driving her to accept Bob's offer. Emotionally, I think bringing Paulette into the scene would have pulled that focus in a different direction.

Nana Uhura is not venomous because she's played by Nichelle Nichols, who is awesome and incapable of being venomous. :)

I don't think you've been "missing" the continuity errors; I think they'll start to appear more often as the show's universe expands. I don't see that as a failing -- it's an inevitability. But so far, the show's done a good job of keeping the plotholes to a minimum. Hopefully it'll stay that way.

&lt;strong&gt;Timothy&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;strong&gt;Michael&lt;/strong&gt;, you guys seem to be on the same page about the Haitian "allowing" certain abilities within a radius. I'd say it's unclear either way; the fact that Matt got a bleeding nose trying to get past the Haitian's ability when the Haitian had no idea he was even &lt;em&gt;trying&lt;/em&gt; to suggests it's a "permanently switched on" ability. But it's possible the Haitian can intentionally "shut off" the blocker when he wants to, which is why Elle can use her powers around him.

&lt;strong&gt;Susan&lt;/strong&gt;, I like your point about whether Peter &lt;em&gt;himself&lt;/em&gt; exploded, or whether he just ended up at the center of the explosion which he set off. If his physical form stayed intact then I can buy into the whole "protective aura" concept. If he literally blew apart, I don't get how his clothes could stay on. Probably just for decency on TV. :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Raissa</strong>, I&#8217;m really sorry so much of the volume&#8217;s not working for you. Do you think it&#8217;s such a huge departure from last season? There are storylines which aren&#8217;t working, but there were storylines a year ago which weren&#8217;t working either, and most of them turned out all right in the end. Maybe it&#8217;s a weak comparison if this season&#8217;s cut short, but we&#8217;ve already seen Peter&#8217;s arc improve, and Hiro&#8217;s looks like it&#8217;ll get better; the only one that&#8217;s bugging me is the Maya/Alejandro story, which isn&#8217;t such a big deal.</p>
<p>I have to disagree with you about TPTBs focusing on the visual aspect of the show before the narrative; the visual aspect of the show is informed <em>by</em> the narrative. Everything you mention &#8212; lighting, angles, frames &#8212; stems from the story. This volume is visually darker because the stories and the characters are darker.</p>
<p>On a logistical level, the stories and scripts are written months ahead of production. You know this! So I&#8217;m not sure why you&#8217;d think &#8220;stuff falls through on the overall narrative or dialogue level and the writers aren&#8217;t as focused for whatever reasons.&#8221; A couple of lines are changed on the set, but most of the narrative is planned very far in advance. The story has always taken priority over everything else &#8212; even the characters. That&#8217;s where the whole &#8220;The Story Is King&#8221; mantra came from.</p>
<p><strong>tree1138</strong>: I hear you, someone&#8217;s story was going to suffer no matter how the volume was structured. If it had been chronological, we probably would have had five episodes of Matt recovering in a hospital and arguing with Janice, and almost everyone would have hated it.</p>
<p><strong>KellyH</strong>: word. I would&#8217;ve liked to see the Matt/Janice/baby story resolved too. How Noah approached Mohinder and recruited him would also have been cool. Do you think they&#8217;ll ever show these backstories?</p>
<p>With Shanti, check out <strong>Michael</strong>&#8217;s post: Shanti died in 1974, according to Thompson in &#8220;The Hard Part.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think Kring &#038; Co. definitely remembered Paulette when they wrote D.L.&#8217;s funeral. It could be that the actress wasn&#8217;t available, like you say; but besides the &#8220;Ooh, good continuity!&#8221; kick, would it really have mattered to the story? I mean, the focus in the scene was the family&#8217;s grief, and Niki&#8217;s fear and guilt driving her to accept Bob&#8217;s offer. Emotionally, I think bringing Paulette into the scene would have pulled that focus in a different direction.</p>
<p>Nana Uhura is not venomous because she&#8217;s played by Nichelle Nichols, who is awesome and incapable of being venomous. <img src='http://www.herosite.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ve been &#8220;missing&#8221; the continuity errors; I think they&#8217;ll start to appear more often as the show&#8217;s universe expands. I don&#8217;t see that as a failing &#8212; it&#8217;s an inevitability. But so far, the show&#8217;s done a good job of keeping the plotholes to a minimum. Hopefully it&#8217;ll stay that way.</p>
<p><strong>Timothy</strong>, <strong>Michael</strong>, you guys seem to be on the same page about the Haitian &#8220;allowing&#8221; certain abilities within a radius. I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s unclear either way; the fact that Matt got a bleeding nose trying to get past the Haitian&#8217;s ability when the Haitian had no idea he was even <em>trying</em> to suggests it&#8217;s a &#8220;permanently switched on&#8221; ability. But it&#8217;s possible the Haitian can intentionally &#8220;shut off&#8221; the blocker when he wants to, which is why Elle can use her powers around him.</p>
<p><strong>Susan</strong>, I like your point about whether Peter <em>himself</em> exploded, or whether he just ended up at the center of the explosion which he set off. If his physical form stayed intact then I can buy into the whole &#8220;protective aura&#8221; concept. If he literally blew apart, I don&#8217;t get how his clothes could stay on. Probably just for decency on TV. <img src='http://www.herosite.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto,

Great review. You enjoyed the episode more than I did (last week's was bette), but even so I can't stop watching it. It's very weird.

I have no problem with how they showed Peter immediately following his nuclear detonation. I've always believed he'd survive whether or not he has Claire's regeneration. Ted's nuclear power always seemed more like it radiated off of him instead of causing him to literally explode.

One thing I don't get is the Haitian ... how is he back working for The Company after what happened in Company Man. That was the one variable I couldn't figure out in Peter's backstory.

Regarding Peter not passing out in Kirby Plaza, he was kind of distracted. Also, that may have added to him going nuclear.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto,</p>
<p>Great review. You enjoyed the episode more than I did (last week&#8217;s was bette), but even so I can&#8217;t stop watching it. It&#8217;s very weird.</p>
<p>I have no problem with how they showed Peter immediately following his nuclear detonation. I&#8217;ve always believed he&#8217;d survive whether or not he has Claire&#8217;s regeneration. Ted&#8217;s nuclear power always seemed more like it radiated off of him instead of causing him to literally explode.</p>
<p>One thing I don&#8217;t get is the Haitian &#8230; how is he back working for The Company after what happened in Company Man. That was the one variable I couldn&#8217;t figure out in Peter&#8217;s backstory.</p>
<p>Regarding Peter not passing out in Kirby Plaza, he was kind of distracted. Also, that may have added to him going nuclear.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Sylar probably had a number of powers by then, so he probably absorbed a lot more than 3 powers, thanks to Sylar
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Sylar probably had a number of powers by then, so he probably absorbed a lot more than 3 powers, thanks to Sylar</p>
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		<title>By: Raissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Either it's a continuity glitch, or somehow Claude's training helped focus Peter, so he could absorb without the coma.
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		<title>By: Drew7490</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm curios about how many powers has Peter absorbed now. If he was close enough to DL to absorb his ability in the finale, then he should have Molly and Micah's abilities as well. I don't know whether the Haitian can only block Peter from using his absorbed powers or whether he can block Peter from actually absorbing new powers. If he can't, then this means that Peter has the abilities of the Haitian and Bob as well. If you add them up, Peter absorbed 6 powers (counting Elle's) in less than 24 hours. Didn't he go into a coma for 2 weeks after absorbing only 3 (Matt's mindreading, Sylar's TK, and Claire's regen) in that amount of time last season?! So if he absorbed twice what put him in a coma, then why isn't he a vegetable right now? or dead? Not that I want this to happen. Peter is my favorite character, second only to Hiro. But still, what gives?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curios about how many powers has Peter absorbed now. If he was close enough to DL to absorb his ability in the finale, then he should have Molly and Micah&#8217;s abilities as well. I don&#8217;t know whether the Haitian can only block Peter from using his absorbed powers or whether he can block Peter from actually absorbing new powers. If he can&#8217;t, then this means that Peter has the abilities of the Haitian and Bob as well. If you add them up, Peter absorbed 6 powers (counting Elle&#8217;s) in less than 24 hours. Didn&#8217;t he go into a coma for 2 weeks after absorbing only 3 (Matt&#8217;s mindreading, Sylar&#8217;s TK, and Claire&#8217;s regen) in that amount of time last season?! So if he absorbed twice what put him in a coma, then why isn&#8217;t he a vegetable right now? or dead? Not that I want this to happen. Peter is my favorite character, second only to Hiro. But still, what gives?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the Haitian, it's possible that he automatically nullifies all powers in the vicinity unless he consciously makes an exception, and that's why Matt couldn't read the Haitian's mind. Either that, or Matt was Dumb as Parkman, and somehow let the Haitian know he was being followed.
About the Shanti virus, wasn't Shanti's death in 1974? Bob said that they stopped research 30 years ago.
Yes, Heidi saw Nathan flying, but seeing as how she was busy being almost killed by Linderman's goons, she might not have processed that information.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the Haitian, it&#8217;s possible that he automatically nullifies all powers in the vicinity unless he consciously makes an exception, and that&#8217;s why Matt couldn&#8217;t read the Haitian&#8217;s mind. Either that, or Matt was Dumb as Parkman, and somehow let the Haitian know he was being followed.<br />
About the Shanti virus, wasn&#8217;t Shanti&#8217;s death in 1974? Bob said that they stopped research 30 years ago.<br />
Yes, Heidi saw Nathan flying, but seeing as how she was busy being almost killed by Linderman&#8217;s goons, she might not have processed that information.</p>
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